broken wing wrote:
Femoral stress fractures happen with poor diet and sleep habits on top of heavy training.
Remember, Dartmouth was the model for animal house, nothing to do up there but drink. Guessing the guys on the team drank too much and didn't take care of themselves, not all in on doing the right things to be successful distance runners.
I think maybe the article is more well thought out than your McReasoning.
no skin wrote:
So as someone with zero skin in the game, why *shouldn't* Dartmouth pivot to a sprint-heavy team? Why does tradition matter when a good sprinter can give you points across more events per athlete than a distance runner can, particularly in a conference where every other team is also distance-oriented?
Because they're not good at sprinting
It's an ivy league school and their current top marks are
60: 6.88
200 23.85
400 48.82
60H 8.97
I don't think that's getting you many points
heisn'tevilbro wrote:
I hope everyone can recognize the issues at hand, while still easing up on the vitriol towards McNulty. Even if his training was poor, that doesn't mean he as a person is deserving of all this hate.
- former athlete under McNulty
Refusing to change the training after several stress fractures, and resulting in 9 total, is incompetent bordering on CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE.
He had 3 total healthy athletes out of 24 that he started with. It is a MAJOR character flaw to cause a serious injury, not care, and then proceed to seriously injure more athletes.
He didn't listen to the athletes who expressed concern over their safety, he never educated himself on alternative training methods, and he lied constantly.
Those are not traits of a good person.
This was a proud program. What a nightmare.
Certainly seems like the men's XC culture is toxic. They didn't like the guy from the start, judging from the threads when he was hired, and then these guys are surprised that the coach didn't listen to them wanting to do things completely different than he wanted? They clearly have a vendetta against the head coach, which is ignored in the article. The guy was set up to fail no matter what, and reading about the sniveling, whining culture that is apparent on the men's XC (along with their parents) it's clear they have an agenda that has nothing to do with running well.
It's textbook if you don't like a coach, cite health/mental health to admin, and maybe you'll get your way. To what end? Sounds like a bunch of you made decisions to continue running on injuries...where was Sports Medicine? One runner quoted as saying the "workouts weren't anything we couldn't handle." So what is the official story here?
Citing success under the old coach with a similar unspectacular D3 background? Winning the HEPS indoor DMR once? Finishing top-10 in the Northeast Region? And didn't that guy try to undermine the head coach? Of course he'd get canned. Nothing in this article about that.
The girls' team quoted saying this Shaiko guy had nothing to do with the women's team, but also skeptical he was under fire for being a misogynist? Gee, I wonder if he just didn't like the new female head coach and being a continued part of the program undermined her...following the trail that all the men's XC guys loved him, but also hated her.
Maybe this new guy wasn't any good, but no decent coach is going to touch this job when you guys are going to sic your parents on administration the moment you don't like something. Any coach in their right mind would view you as a pain in the ass to deal with. Sorry about the injuries and that you aren't enjoying your experience, but don't think it's going to get much better. Certainly weaves a classic entitled Ivy League entitled stereotype.
Maybe Ben True actually wanted to coach, and maybe he'll come in and save the day again. One can hope. All problems solved, right?
Has anyone made the connection that both Sean NcNulty (dartmouth) and Daniel Goetz (Portland state) are both from the Duke coaching tree and BOTH have run programs into the ground **quickly**
they learned it somewhere.
Jack Prozac wrote:
There are plenty of shiddy inexperienced high school distance running coaches in New Hampshire. She didn't have to go all the way to Transylvania to find a chump to move up to a D1 NCAA job.
If we're talking geographics, the coe brown coach, the distance coach at SNHU, and the assistant from UMASS Lowell would ALL been better hires.
I was focusing on the men's results but just as a side note, Abbey D'Agostino had an astonishingly good career at Dartmouth:
Cross Country:
2011: 3rd
2012: 2nd
2013: 1st
Indoor Nationals:
2012: 3rd (DMR), 8th, 3000m;
2013: 1st (3000m), 1st (5000m)
2014 1st (3000m), 1st (5000m)
Outdoor Nationals:
2013: 1st (5000m)
2014: 3rd (5000m)
zxcvzcvx wrote:
I was focusing on the men's results but just as a side note, Abbey D'Agostino had an astonishingly good career at Dartmouth:
Cross Country:
2011: 3rd
2012: 2nd
2013: 1st
Indoor Nationals:
2012: 3rd (DMR), 8th, 3000m;
2013: 1st (3000m), 1st (5000m)
2014 1st (3000m), 1st (5000m)
Outdoor Nationals:
2013: 1st (5000m)
2014: 3rd (5000m)
You forgot her first NCAA title - 2012 Outdoor 5km
Also was 3rd in 2011 in the NCAA Outdoor 5km as a freshman
Mark Coogan was the coach at the time
Sure, and that just started happening a year ago...
That was in response to:
"Femoral stress fractures happen with poor diet and sleep habits on top of heavy training.
Remember, Dartmouth was the model for animal house, nothing to do up there but drink. Guessing the guys on the team drank too much and didn't take care of themselves, not all in on doing the right things to be successful distance runners."
Dooked wrote:
Has anyone made the connection that both Sean NcNulty (dartmouth) and Daniel Goetz (Portland state) are both from the Duke coaching tree and BOTH have run programs into the ground **quickly**
they learned it somewhere.
I had the same thought. Makes you wonder what's going on there (and Kentucky). Hard speed 5+ days a week might have seemed like a good idea in 1995 (the nadir of US distance running), but any distance coach, certainly one at a program like Dartmouth, should know better by now. It boggles my mind that anyone on this thread would defend a coach with a program like that. That demonstrably broke most of the runners. The guys should absolutely pushed back against that training nonsense.
At some level I get it. Distance running is not complicated. So some coaches basically perform for the AD. Look at how hard we're working! How's it look at a big-time athletics program when the coach is standing around waiting for guys to get back from easy distance most of the time? Looks a lot better when the AD can see the guys hammering around the track every day, even though that training produces terrible results and injuries. I think that's why the "long slow distance makes long slow runners" thing is still hanging around.
Why such ado over this piddly program? We worry this much about coaches at places like Holy Cross or Skidmore or Smith. It's been 15 years since True was there and he was clearly an aberration. Even longer since Lananna.
I can't believe I'm responding this specific post, and it isn't particularly relevant to the thread, but the second leg on the 1964 M 4x100 that won gold was a Dartmouth sprinter (Gerry Ashworth). I know 1964 was a long time ago, but if you are going to say there have never been any sprinters at Dartmouth, I felt compelled to respond that's simply not correct.
no brain wrote:
Seems to me that Justin Wood was doing a good job and was well-like and respected by the runners. How is that a dud?
no skin wrote:
So as someone with zero skin in the game, why *shouldn't* Dartmouth pivot to a sprint-heavy team? Why does tradition matter when a good sprinter can give you points across more events per athlete than a distance runner can, particularly in a conference where every other team is also distance-oriented?
Milers can give you more points, especially indoors. They can score in the 800, 1000, mile, 3000, 5000, and DMR.
It can mean a couple of different things:
1. You are over bearing and doing too much. Relationships are based on reciprocity so if you are giving too much she’ll feel guilty about not being able to match. The guilt causes the relationship to be too much.
2. She thinks you’re a good person but not fun enough.
3. She thinks you are a good person but she isn’t attracted to you.
4. She doesn’t want to date you and she’s lying about the reason.
Brown would have similar academic requirements as well so the coach would understand that as well, and recruiting would be similar too.
McNulty was a terrible coach and I still don't get how he was hired. Especially as a white male
Mommy, I can't break 35 in the 10k, so it must be the new coaches fault. Fire him mommy!
Charlie Citrine wrote:
Mommy, I can't break 35 in the 10k, so it must be the new coaches fault. Fire him mommy!
Do you think only having 12.5% of your team healthy is normal? Such a moran
