Nico Young is a miler

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3 months ago 01/31/2024 8:40pm EST

It’s weird to say this after Nico running 12:57 and making history. But upon reflection, I think he is probably best suited for the 1500/mile. Nicos running profile seems to match that of El G and Narve Nordas who began their young careers as more 5k runners and dropped down to the 1500.

Not only that but I think the 1500 meter may be the wiser choice for the 2024 season for Nico. Nico has enough speed to drop a 53 at the beginning of a workout at altitude and it doesn’t phase him. I could see him running 3:46/3:29 by summer 2024 which should be enough to punch a ticket to Paris. He could hang with a fast pace set by Nuguse and not have to worry about a big Hocker type kick. Whereas the 5k is crowded and even though he is very good I’m still taking Nur, Fisher, Kincaid over Young at the moment.

3 months ago 01/31/2024 8:41pm EST

re: There I said it

There I said it wrote:
It’s weird to say this after Nico running 12:57 and making history. But upon reflection, I think he is probably best suited for the 1500/mile. Nicos running profile seems to match that of El G and Narve Nordas who began their young careers as more 5k runners and dropped down to the 1500.
Not only that but I think the 1500 meter may be the wiser choice for the 2024 season for Nico. Nico has enough speed to drop a 53 at the beginning of a workout at altitude and it doesn’t phase him. I could see him running 3:46/3:29 by summer 2024 which should be enough to punch a ticket to Paris. He could hang with a fast pace set by Nuguse and not have to worry about a big Hocker type kick. Whereas the 5k is crowded and even though he is very good I’m still taking Nur, Fisher, Kincaid over Young at the moment.

Who?

3 months ago 01/31/2024 8:43pm EST

re: There I said it

There I said it wrote:
It’s weird to say this after Nico running 12:57 and making history. But upon reflection, I think he is probably best suited for the 1500/mile. Nicos running profile seems to match that of El G and Narve Nordas who began their young careers as more 5k runners and dropped down to the 1500.
Not only that but I think the 1500 meter may be the wiser choice for the 2024 season for Nico. Nico has enough speed to drop a 53 at the beginning of a workout at altitude and it doesn’t phase him. I could see him running 3:46/3:29 by summer 2024 which should be enough to punch a ticket to Paris. He could hang with a fast pace set by Nuguse and not have to worry about a big Hocker type kick. Whereas the 5k is crowded and even though he is very good I’m still taking Nur, Fisher, Kincaid over Young at the moment.

I would be shocked if Nico Young runs the 1500 at the Olympic Trials instead of the 5k.

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3 months ago 01/31/2024 8:47pm EST

re: There I said it

Of course Nico is a miler. Of course he is probably about the 10th-12th best miler in the US, but he is probably the 5th best 5000m runner in the US

So yeah he is a miler for sure.

3 months ago 01/31/2024 8:51pm EST

re: Thats Not Going To Happen

Why can’t he run both?

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3 months ago 01/31/2024 10:19pm EST

re: There I said it

There I said it wrote:
Nico has enough speed to drop a 53 at the beginning of a workout at altitude and it doesn’t phase him. I could see him running 3:46/3:29 by summer 2024 which should be enough to punch a ticket to Paris.

I’m hearing your argument from a speed endurance standpoint, but the current championship results in this distance, if anything, should tell us that speed endurance/aerobic capacity alone will not win races. Jakob can hold insane paces for certain distances, but he still has weaknesses.

Also, the reality is that Nico is not a good kicker. In that 12:57 he just ran, Nico tried long-kicking wilschut but instead Nico got ran down the final 50 meters. Nico may be able to open a workout in 53 at altitude, but can he close a 1500 in 53? I just don’t see it right now.

Respectfully, I don’t see Nico getting close to 3:46/3:29 this summer, or next year, or maybe ever. Would happily get proven wrong, but I don’t believe he has the wheels for it. Those times take massive wheels unless you have Jakob-level endurance, and even then Jakob still has crazy amounts of footspeed. That doesn’t make Nico a bad runner, because many of the world’s greatest milers might not ever run 3:46. But to me, he is better off in the 5000 and his 12:57 proved that to me.

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3 months ago 02/01/2024 12:28am EST

re: There I said it

There I said it wrote:
It’s weird to say this after Nico running 12:57 and making history. But upon reflection, I think he is probably best suited for the 1500/mile. Nicos running profile seems to match that of El G and Narve Nordas who began their young careers as more 5k runners and dropped down to the 1500.
Not only that but I think the 1500 meter may be the wiser choice for the 2024 season for Nico. Nico has enough speed to drop a 53 at the beginning of a workout at altitude and it doesn’t phase him. I could see him running 3:46/3:29 by summer 2024 which should be enough to punch a ticket to Paris. He could hang with a fast pace set by Nuguse and not have to worry about a big Hocker type kick. Whereas the 5k is crowded and even though he is very good I’m still taking Nur, Fisher, Kincaid over Young at the moment.

I'll play along.

Nico Young is an 800m runner.

3 months ago 02/01/2024 3:44am EST

re: There I said it

There I said it wrote:
It’s weird to say this after Nico running 12:57 and making history. But upon reflection, I think he is probably best suited for the 1500/mile. Nicos running profile seems to match that of El G and Narve Nordas who began their young careers as more 5k runners and dropped down to the 1500.
Not only that but I think the 1500 meter may be the wiser choice for the 2024 season for Nico. Nico has enough speed to drop a 53 at the beginning of a workout at altitude and it doesn’t phase him. I could see him running 3:46/3:29 by summer 2024 which should be enough to punch a ticket to Paris. He could hang with a fast pace set by Nuguse and not have to worry about a big Hocker type kick. Whereas the 5k is crowded and even though he is very good I’m still taking Nur, Fisher, Kincaid over Young at the moment.

Where does Cooper Teare fall into this?

2 months ago 02/26/2024 9:13pm EST

re: There I said it

Nico Young’s recent mile 800 double adds to the evidence that he is currently in sub 3:50 shape in the right race. I hope he runs the mile and 5k at ncaa nationals. He could win both events.

2 months ago 02/26/2024 9:18pm EST

re: There I said it

There I said it wrote:
Nico Young’s recent mile 800 double adds to the evidence that he is currently in sub 3:50 shape in the right race. I hope he runs the mile and 5k at ncaa nationals. He could win both events.

Nico is more likely to lose both than to win both.

2 months ago 02/26/2024 9:24pm EST

re: There I said it

There I said it wrote:
Nico Young’s recent mile 800 double adds to the evidence that he is currently in sub 3:50 shape in the right race. I hope he runs the mile and 5k at ncaa nationals. He could win both events.

Why are people freaking out about a 1:49.61 800 meter? There are tons of examples of milers who run A LOT faster than 1:49.61 who do not run 3:50 in the mile. His 800 is not particularly noteworthy, if he's really 3:48 shape he should run faster than a 1:49.61. Hobbs just ran a 3:48 a couple weeks ago and is a miler, he ran 1:45 in the 800 last year. Craig Engels was running 1:44-1:46 when he was a low 3:50's miler. A 1:49 is light years away from what real milers can run in the 800. And because he can't run a competitive 800 with other milers, he should not think he can win any meaningful mile race. Which is why we're not going to see him running the mile or 1500 at a NCAA or USATF championship.

2 months ago 02/26/2024 9:34pm EST

re: Hot Takes

Hot Takes wrote:
There I said it wrote:
Nico Young’s recent mile 800 double adds to the evidence that he is currently in sub 3:50 shape in the right race. I hope he runs the mile and 5k at ncaa nationals. He could win both events.
Why are people freaking out about a 1:49.61 800 meter? There are tons of examples of milers who run A LOT faster than 1:49.61 who do not run 3:50 in the mile. His 800 is not particularly noteworthy, if he's really 3:48 shape he should run faster than a 1:49.61. Hobbs just ran a 3:48 a couple weeks ago and is a miler, he ran 1:45 in the 800 last year. Craig Engels was running 1:44-1:46 when he was a low 3:50's miler. A 1:49 is light years away from what real milers can run in the 800. And because he can't run a competitive 800 with other milers, he should not think he can win any meaningful mile race. Which is why we're not going to see him running the mile or 1500 at a NCAA or USATF championship.

1:49 as his second event of the day in his first 800m in three years, he has 1:46 potential when he gets to three 3:28 shape

2 months ago 02/26/2024 11:38pm EST

re: The Avenging Angel

Medal contenders can close the last 800m of a 1500m in 1:46-47, faster than Nico can run an 800m race. In fact, they may even open in 1:49-50 (wr pace is 1:49.6/800m). So, while he can run a 3:48 mile, he can't contend with the acceleration or closing speed of top milers. This kind of speed helps a lot in the 5000m, which is his best current distance but I fear that he will be left behind in the last 400m there as well, just like Rupp in most of his 5000s.

2 months ago 02/27/2024 12:09am EST

re: CTeare

CTeare wrote:
There I said it wrote:
It’s weird to say this after Nico running 12:57 and making history. But upon reflection, I think he is probably best suited for the 1500/mile. Nicos running profile seems to match that of El G and Narve Nordas who began their young careers as more 5k runners and dropped down to the 1500.
Not only that but I think the 1500 meter may be the wiser choice for the 2024 season for Nico. Nico has enough speed to drop a 53 at the beginning of a workout at altitude and it doesn’t phase him. I could see him running 3:46/3:29 by summer 2024 which should be enough to punch a ticket to Paris. He could hang with a fast pace set by Nuguse and not have to worry about a big Hocker type kick. Whereas the 5k is crowded and even though he is very good I’m still taking Nur, Fisher, Kincaid over Young at the moment.
Where does Cooper Teare fall into this?

If he falls, it will probably be into the water pit

2 months ago 02/27/2024 12:09am EST

re: zcvxzcvx

Young is still pretty Young though.

2 months ago 02/27/2024 8:56am EST

re: There I said it

He is a 5k runner. And 3:29 is excessive. But I do see him as more of a Rupp-type, capable of running a surprisingly quick mile for a 5k/10k guy. I think 3:32 this year.

2 months ago 02/27/2024 11:31am EST

re: my two pennies

my two pennies wrote:
He is a 5k runner. And 3:29 is excessive. But I do see him as more of a Rupp-type, capable of running a surprisingly quick mile for a 5k/10k guy. I think 3:32 this year.

The difference between Nico and Narve Nordas is Nico has shown that he is far from mediocre as he goes up in distance. His early XC results, 13:11 5K before his 20th birthday, and so on indicate he is a very good runner at the 5-10K distances with huge upside (12:57 already). Nothing Narve did really indicated he was better the higher the distance went. He stunk as a half-marathoner, and had middling 10K/XC results even in his age group. He just had some weird, unfounded belief that he was untalented at shorter distances, and was better the higher up in distance he went. At this point, it's pretty evident that he was completely wrong about it.

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