Ngetich's 28:46 seemed to come from nowhere, but 6.5 years ago her agent predicted greatness calling her the "purest diamond in the rough one could imagine." Now he's even more bullish, saying "this is a generational talent t...
she's kenyan so the likelihood of doping is very high just based on their history and culture of doping. that's not to say she isn't also a generational talent.
Probably not a short course, as Kiplimo would've run something crazier if that were the case. It could honestly just be a combo of 2, 3 and 4 that produced this crazy result. Admittedly, I have to be skeptical of someone who broke the track record by 15 seconds and the 5k road record en route. I think Wang may have done something similar when she broke the 10000m record in 93
I usually do not jump on the doping bandwagon, but for someone to go from not breaking 15 minutes on a fast BAA course last year, to dropping a 14:13 then a 14:43.... makes me wonder.
I don't know the reason, but Women's Distance Running has really Raised the Bar, Very few even Mention the 2nd Place Woman unknown to all but her famil and friends and maybe some Really Hard Core fans also broke 29 Minutes,Anyways looking forward to her Half Marathon on March 3rd will we see another mind boggling performance?
On another note can anyone set a World Record without suspicion? Example if Alicia Monson runs a 27:59 for 10000 on a legal course or Track And she says she got faster by doing Double Threshold Runs for the First Time? I think people would still be whining that they must have used PED'S, and this is SAD for the Sport
On another note can anyone set a World Record without suspicion? Example if Alicia Monson runs a 27:59 for 10000 on a legal course or Track And she says she got faster by doing Double Threshold Runs for the First Time? I think people would still be whining that they must have used PED'S, and this is SAD for the Sport
If you accept that doping has happened in the past, and that there are doped world records, what are the chances that generational talents are being found by the handfuls each year, versus really great runners doping for a long time.
For it to be a world record the course must be certified. It won’t turn out to be short, you can rule that out. Doping is absolutely a given. This is the state of running in Kenya. Shoes make road times more comparable to track, but not that much faster. Generational talent, meh not likely based on earlier times. Maybe generational responder to drugs.
Her manager was also the manager for the men's 10k record holder from Valencia, Rhonex Kipruto. He's also got connections with other banned athletes. This is easily a "where there's smoke there's fire" situation.
I don't know the reason, but Women's Distance Running has really Raised the Bar, Very few even Mention the 2nd Place Woman unknown to all but her famil and friends and maybe some Really Hard Core fans also broke 29 Minutes,Anyways looking forward to her Half Marathon on March 3rd will we see another mind boggling performance?
On another note can anyone set a World Record without suspicion? Example if Alicia Monson runs a 27:59 for 10000 on a legal course or Track And she says she got faster by doing Double Threshold Runs for the First Time? I think people would still be whining that they must have used PED'S, and this is SAD for the Sport
For it to be a world record the course must be certified. It won’t turn out to be short, you can rule that out. Doping is absolutely a given. This is the state of running in Kenya. Shoes make road times more comparable to track, but not that much faster. Generational talent, meh not likely based on earlier times. Maybe generational responder to drugs.
Just on certification: the second woman runs a half in Ostia 3/3. No matter what crazy time she runs then, it won’t be a WR (point to point course).
I do not usually turn to doping as the first explanation, but as I said in the other thread, would it not be a bit unbelievable if Kiplimo ran 25:54 for a road 10k splitting a 12:50 the first half? That's basically equivalent to what she did...
These sort of breakthroughs tend to produce plenty of cynicism. There are four main factors that, taken in some combination, could reasonably explain a performance like Ngetich's 28:46, and three of them are pretty cynical. Option 1: The course had to be short. Option 2: Shoe technology has rendered times and records meaningless. Option 3: Anyone who runs that fast must be doping. Option 4: She's a generational talent. None of the first three responses is entirely unjustified, but let's get to them in a minute. When we try to make sense of a time we've never seen before, sometimes we forget there is a living, breathing person at the center of it. That's a source of frustration for Ngetich's agent, Davor Savija of Ikaika Sports, who has long believed in the greatness of Ngetich and says context is often missing from these discussions. Ask Savija about 28:46, and he is unequivocal: Ngetich is a top, top talent who is thriving now that she finally has the training environment in which to succeed. "This is a generational talent that is here to stay," Savija told LetsRun on Tuesday. "...This is some kind of Faith Kipyegon in the making."
Which of the explanation(s) do you find most convincing?
I think its a combination of drug cocktails,and fancy shoes.Yes,she's a massive talent,but 28.46 is a junior man's time,not a woman's time.