Nope. That wasn't your mist valuable degree. And no, the people who major in philosophy are wealthy and they fall back on Daddy. Engineering students are some if the some smartest.
If you're an Ivy man, you're a pretty ignorant one. Philosophy majors outperform virtually everyone else in standardized graduate and professional tests, graduate school admissions, and career accomplishments. (Pursuing a Ph.D. in Philosophy is a dicier proposition; you tend to get tenure in a philosophy department only when someone dies or retires.) And rich daddies, except for the academically smart ones, generally aren't enamored of funding philosophy educations; vocational educations like business may seem more useful to them. As for engineering students, I've known thousands of the smartest. I wouldn't rate them above the philosophy students I've known.
And please note that I very specifically avoided saying that my philosophy degree was more valuable than my degree in computer science and engineering. I said that my education in philosophy was by far the more valuable. Degrees without education are of marginal utility in most intellectually demanding fields. (My most valuable degree was in law, because the degree itself was worth something, primarily in opening up opportunities to do interesting work for a living in a profession that tends to require degrees.)
How many degrees do you have? I see 3/4 already, jesus
Nope. That wasn't your mist valuable degree. And no, the people who major in philosophy are wealthy and they fall back on Daddy. Engineering students are some if the some smartest.
If you're an Ivy man, you're a pretty ignorant one. Philosophy majors outperform virtually everyone else in standardized graduate and professional tests, graduate school admissions, and career accomplishments. (Pursuing a Ph.D. in Philosophy is a dicier proposition; you tend to get tenure in a philosophy department only when someone dies or retires.) And rich daddies, except for the academically smart ones, generally aren't enamored of funding philosophy educations; vocational educations like business may seem more useful to them. As for engineering students, I've known thousands of the smartest. I wouldn't rate them above the philosophy students I've known.
And please note that I very specifically avoided saying that my philosophy degree was more valuable than my degree in computer science and engineering. I said that my education in philosophy was by far the more valuable. Degrees without education are of marginal utility in most intellectually demanding fields. (My most valuable degree was in law, because the degree itself was worth something, primarily in opening up opportunities to do interesting work for a living in a profession that tends to require degrees.)
Even if the subject matter hadn’t revealed it to us, we could probably tell — say, in a debate on any number of topics — which one of these two has the philosophy degree.
Sub 14 5K (pre 2000), 13:30s post 2000 and DI All-American. Education from Ivy League or handful of other universities in STEM and only STEM. $1.2M annual income, 10,000 sq ft $5M home. 17 sports cars, and can't forget the trophy wife.
And you were able to rule out that he’s in the logic concentration?
And are you aware of the general mathematical ability of those who study logic at top institutions? And their career outcomes?
I earned a Ph.D. in chemistry from Berkeley and have had a long career as a faculty member at research universities. I took the Intro to Logic course as an undergrad because it seemed like a good way to satisfy a "breadth" requirement with a course that was basically math. The professor was very good, and while teaching an intro course at a fairly low level, he gave extra problems for the top students who really wanted to test themselves. The hard problems were really hard, and required at least as much quantitative cognitive ability as anything I saw in math or chemistry.
I suspect that even athletes who get admitted to Harvard are very smart, regardless of their major.
Not true, he admitted that he never would have gotten in on academics...it was his running that got him admitted. Watch the post race video. He said himself and he gets an A+ for that.
I earned a Ph.D. in chemistry from Berkeley and have had a long career as a faculty member at research universities. I took the Intro to Logic course as an undergrad because it seemed like a good way to satisfy a "breadth" requirement with a course that was basically math. The professor was very good, and while teaching an intro course at a fairly low level, he gave extra problems for the top students who really wanted to test themselves. The hard problems were really hard, and required at least as much quantitative cognitive ability as anything I saw in math or chemistry.
I suspect that even athletes who get admitted to Harvard are very smart, regardless of their major.
Not true, he admitted that he never would have gotten in on academics...it was his running that got him admitted. Watch the post race video. He said himself and he gets an A+ for that.
This is true. To get in to Harvard you must to have incredibly strong academics and then be exceptional in something else. In his case it was running.
No. Those are LSAT scores. Of course phi;osopjy translates well into law.
The info isn't presented in a way that makes this obvious, but I also think you're a bit off.
The one broad, whole-test results chart is for the LSAT (also around a decade old). The others are for the GRE, even though that's not made clear ("Verbal Reasoning" and "Analytical Writing" are GRE sections, and the ETS is credited for the data in those charts; ETS administers the GRE, LSAC the LSAT).
The glaring omission in the posted charts is Quantitative Reasoning. I'd expect philosophy majors to do better than others in the humanities and to be competitive overall. Indeed, I've seen data from around that time (posted/referred to elsewhere) that places Philosophy below all STEM fields except for Biology and Health Sciences in Quantitative reasoning, but it's not far below a handful of some STEM majors, and it's higher than the other humanities, the social sciences (except economics), and business.
Where you're probably at least a bit off: You imply that philosophers are likely to perform so well only in a field that connects so clearly well, like law. First, a set of aptitudes that translate well into law are also modes of thinking that apply broadly to many kinds of work and also fall under the heading of what most people usually term "smart." Second, some of the data is taken from the GRE, which is obviously not specific to philosophy or law. Third, the info from the U of New Orleans (the source of the charts Kumar tweeted and that alcibiades linked here) also notes: "If you are interested in entering an MBA program, Philosophy majors score higher on the GMAT than business majors (15% higher)."
And, of course, where alcibiades is off is that the data can hardly be considered proof that philosophy majors are the smartest, and I expect that a high percentage of smart philosophy majors would cringe at the prospect of making such an inference from the information given.
How many degrees do you have? I see 3/4 already, jesus
That avocato is pretty sharp and learned for a dude with three-quarters of a degree.
I believe that's avvocato. Unlike Avogadro, who frequently dealt with moles, an avvocato frequency deals with rats and other vermin, and is not infrequently one himself.
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More precise and correct but also a lot more boring
I believe that's avvocato. Unlike Avogadro, who frequently dealt with moles, an avvocato frequency deals with rats and other vermin, and is not infrequently one himself.
Smart people tend to be smart at everything. Your average Harvard history major probably got a higher math SAT score than your state school physics majors.
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Philosophy is a pointless class and an even dumber major. I went to a college that required philosophy for 1 year before transferring to one with an open curriculum, and it was by far the worst class I've ever taken. It was the most mind numbing material and my lowest grade, despite having attended a significantly better college the next 3 years.
Philosophy is a pointless class and an even dumber major. I went to a college that required philosophy for 1 year before transferring to one with an open curriculum, and it was by far the worst class I've ever taken. It was the most mind numbing material and my lowest ok grade, despite having attended a significantly better college the next 3 years.
The unhappy Notre Dame student is back. You just didn't get it.
Philosophy is a pointless class and an even dumber major. I went to a college that required philosophy for 1 year before transferring to one with an open curriculum, and it was by far the worst class I've ever taken. It was the most mind numbing material and my lowest grade, despite having attended a significantly better college the next 3 years.
Cogently argued. I’ll forward this to Sean Carroll and see if he’s convinced.
Philosophy is a pointless class and an even dumber major. I went to a college that required philosophy for 1 year before transferring to one with an open curriculum, and it was by far the worst class I've ever taken. It was the most mind numbing material and my lowest grade, despite having attended a significantly better college the next 3 years.
Philosophy is a pointless class and an even dumber major. I went to a college that required philosophy for 1 year before transferring to one with an open curriculum, and it was by far the worst class I've ever taken. It was the most mind numbing material and my lowest ok grade, despite having attended a significantly better college the next 3 years.
The unhappy Notre Dame student is back. You just didn't get it.
I love that I’m not the only one who recognized his posting pattern.
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