Monster - I used to love his super economical style.
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28:56/10km, has to be one of the fastest times by a 47 year old.
Hold the phone to make sure the course was accurate.
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Doper then, doper now. Dead before 60
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Colchoneros HOKA 10km run. Looks legit…..but….let’s see.
Los Espanoles, confirmacion, por favor.
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Gloryhole Attendant wrote:
Doper then, doper now. Dead before 60
Sir, if he were really a "doper" do you really think he would survive 30 years of top class athletics? He'd be dead by now....Thank you for your interesting comment, without foundation/evidence.
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Gloryhole Attendant wrote:
Doper then, doper now. Dead before 60
Come back here in 13 years, kiss your own arse, and declare that you are an idiot.
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That generation of Spanish athletics was dirty. We had some here in England who were a level of two below this guy and came over to run events for a London club. They were done for EPO, numerous other Spaniards from this era, Julio Rey etc...
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Estevez mentioned by name in that article.
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It is a downhill race. Like 100m less altitude at the finish line than the start
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The whole lot from that era was dirty. Sucio. Men and women. Talk about a National systemic doping program, Spain was it! Once they got the bid for 1992, it was on. The problem is that not all up and comers were on board. Remember, dudes were dropping dead from EPO at this time, so some of the higher "national class" but not world class level guys didn't want to sign up. But these same guys were still privy to what was happening. One of them decided to speak up and as you can imagine, he was silenced.
Pablo Sierra from Spain, and who attended Ole Miss decided to blow the whistle on guys like the above, and other big stars like Cacho. That was the end of his career. I too knew a Spaniard from this era, and he very simply explained that it its called doping control in Europe for a reason.
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Gloryhole Attendant wrote:
Doper then, doper now. Dead before 60
Yep. Doping with EPO for over a quarter of a century, just like Kipchoge and Bekele.
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Ghost1 wrote:
Gloryhole Attendant wrote:
Doper then, doper now. Dead before 60
Sir, if he were really a "doper" do you really think he would survive 30 years of top class athletics? He'd be dead by now....Thank you for your interesting comment, without foundation/evidence.
I'm not here for unfounded doping accusations, but in this case there is plenty of circumstantial evidence. Some already mentioned by other posters. He is implicated by name in places and Spanish athletics at the time was highly suspect. His '99 WC race in Seville where he set his PB is frankly a ridiculous (and highly suspicious) performance for an athlete of his caliber. He roars past Noah Ngeny at the bell in a lightning-fast race as you can see Ngeny (who had run 3:43 that year) holding on for dear life. He looks like he's legitimately going after El Guerrouj and racing for the win in a 3:27 race (after rounds). He doesn't hold on, but to me that looks like a rocket-fueled performance if I'd ever saw one from the irrationality of his tactics to the out-of-his-body type performance. Here is the .93 -
OldSpanishGhost wrote:
The whole lot from that era was dirty. Sucio. Men and women. Talk about a National systemic doping program, Spain was it! Once they got the bid for 1992, it was on. The problem is that not all up and comers were on board. Remember, dudes were dropping dead from EPO at this time, so some of the higher "national class" but not world class level guys didn't want to sign up. But these same guys were still privy to what was happening. One of them decided to speak up and as you can imagine, he was silenced.
Pablo Sierra from Spain, and who attended Ole Miss decided to blow the whistle on guys like the above, and other big stars like Cacho. That was the end of his career. I too knew a Spaniard from this era, and he very simply explained that it its called doping control in Europe for a reason.
It went into overdrive, likely with EPO in time for Barcelona, but Feuntes was likely doing it from the mid-80's. He himself has said that he learned from East European coaches in 1984, and then came back and applied it to the Spanish athletes. A number of Spanish middle and long distance runners moved up another level at that time.
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Ghost1 wrote:
Sir, if he were really a "doper" do you really think he would survive 30 years of top class athletics? He'd be dead by now....Thank you for your interesting comment, without foundation/evidence.
I'm not here for unfounded doping accusations, but in this case there is plenty of circumstantial evidence. Some already mentioned by other posters. He is implicated by name in places and Spanish athletics at the time was highly suspect. His '99 WC race in Seville where he set his PB is frankly a ridiculous (and highly suspicious) performance for an athlete of his caliber. He roars past Noah Ngeny at the bell in a lightning-fast race as you can see Ngeny (who had run 3:43 that year) holding on for dear life. He looks like he's legitimately going after El Guerrouj and racing for the win in a 3:27 race (after rounds). He doesn't hold on, but to me that looks like a rocket-fueled performance if I'd ever saw one from the irrationality of his tactics to the out-of-his-body type performance. Here is the .Estevez may have doped, but no conclusive evidence. He was arrested by the Spanish Guardia Civil in 2010, with a female athlete. but it never led to a conviction.
What does pose a problem for me in this innuendo that he doped is the fact that he's still so healthy and active 30 years after the start of his career. I don't think doping, health and longevity go hand in hand unless I'm mistaken.
Estevez is also the recipient of a major sports merit award in Spain. Doubtful they would give this to a doper.
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Interesting that Sierra is a dual Spanish/U.S. citizen, but actually more connected to the U.S. than Spain. Lives in the U.S.
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It is very difficult to convict in the Spanish courts as we saw with Jama Aden who was seemingly caught red-handed. This article is incredible with its details to the point where it’s near impossible to believe it could be made up. Yes, good on Estevez for remaining healthy, but that is not proof of anything even if doping a ton is bad for you long-term. For one thing, he’s not that old yet. For another, we have no idea his body’s overall condition.
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wejo ran faster than that and maybe still could. He should start training and race this guy.
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Quote in Spanish, from the article: "Según informa el semanario, Reyes Estévez utilizó hormona de crecimiento, insulina"etc
Translation, "growth hormone, insuline, and he also used (according to a source) a medicine used for menopausal women!
I've looked at the transcripts and there's no mention of EPO but that doesn't absolve him of course.
Go figure - in any case what appears clear to me is that there's a very different cultural atmosphere in Spain compared with Anglo-Saxon countries because Estevez is revered in Spain as a God and still is despite a past which some people might view as murky.
I follow him on Instagram and the testimonials in his favor are too numerous to mention.
From his Instagram posts he appears to be quite wealthy looking at the people he is surrounded with, the cars he drives and the real estate he's invested in. If he did dope he's certainly beaten the system because he's gotten away with it and become relatively wealthy in a European country.
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downhill race wrote:
It is a downhill race. Like 100m less altitude at the finish line than the start
Not sure about the rules permitting this to be a record based on the 100 meters drop from the start line, and in any case I think that would mean his time on a flat course would be roughly 15 to 20 seconds slower so we go from 2856 to 29:11-29:16. Still good, but obviously less impressive. Sub 29:00 at age 47 really catches attention.
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