Jerry Schumacher is a terrible NCAA Coach.

totally agree!

More and more runners will not run in the NCAA in the future. The NCAA is dead and not good to developers world class athletes

If they hit these targets, they will be allowed to meet Jerry in person at start of sophomore year.

This is fact

While this is definitely false for sprinters/field athletes and not even worth discussing, it is just not true for Middle-Distance runners:

M1500 at Worlds '23:

Kerr~NCAA
Jakob~Norway
Nordas~Norway
Kipsang~Kenya
Nuguse~NCAA
Garcia Romo~NCAA
Hocker~NCAA
Reynold~Kenya
Gourley~NCAA

So 5 of the top 9 athletes came through the NCAA system. Of the four that didn't, two (Jakob, Reynold) are generational junior athletes.

Even in the men's 5,000, a quarter of the field came through the NCAA. The placing weren't as impressive, but two of the athletes (Chelimo, Ahmed) are in the twilights of their career. Grijalva/Nur are just entering their prime years. 2 of the Steeple's top 10 came through the NCAA. The 800m champ and another finalist were NCAA guys. 3 of the top 6 women's 800m ran in the NCAA. If you want to argue it's not an ideal situation for athletes who project to 10K and the roads, I think that is fine. But for middle distance and up to 5,000, it's plenty good.

Burns' dad was a D1 college coach and has been training him for years. I don't think Jerry was too concerned about Conner's training over the summer.

Just wait until the authentic Mexican food truck makes its way to Eugene!

Agreed. The NCAA has a lot of selfish coaches and if you’re at an elite level the NCAA is hurt you more then help

Jerry forced his guys to give up Strava so we don't see his secret base building training for next year lmao

The evidence says you’re wrong. Every elite runner - except Hobbs Kessler- was trained the NCAA. More and more Kenyans are choosing the NCAA to further their careers (see many threads about OkSt title).

My posts above is in reference to this posts.

As is typical with letsrun, most of this thread is completely absurd. The title of the thread for one. If anyone thinks Jerry is a bad coach then you are simply clueless. Jerry's results throughout his career are VERY strong. Is he the best coach for Oregon? Not sure but I would bet that the next two years will look very different from what we have seen so far. Is he the best coach for everyone? Nope. No coach is great for everyone. That is part of the puzzle. You find a coach that works for you from a personality perspective as well as training, and certainly for Jerry someone that is fine not racing as much.

The thought that the NCAA is not great for development is nearly as crazy. First of all, there are literally 1000's of varying philosophies. You cannot say the NCAA and think everyone does things the same. Every program is different. Just like any profession, there are some very good coaches in the NCAA but there are some very bad ones too. In my opinion, learning to race is critical. No system teaches you to race and the toughness and skill to advance through rounds like the NCAA. The WORST system is one where everything is a time trial. That does not teach how to line up and race.

More and more NCAA coaches train their athletes very intelligently. I do know that many European coaches hate their athletes coming to the NCAA but that is more a testament to their control issues and wanting to not lose the ability to coach their top athletes.

The reality is that in any system the higher level you go the more athletes you lose. Not everyone is prepared physiologically to make the jump to college running and worse yet, many are not prepared psychologically for the high levels of competition.

Jerry is not a bad coach, he’s a divided coach. Coaches spent 40-50hrs coaching a pro-team or college-team (some coaches more). You can’t spend 80-100hrs coaching 2 teams. Just because mike smith can do it doesn’t mean jerry can (or Ritz for that matter).

But the thread is on redshirting a top recruit - that makes no sense! Did Stanford redshirt bunnage? No. Did Alabama redshirt Lemngole? No.

The question is he a good NCAA coach. XC? Hard to say he isn’t pretty high up there? Track? What has been his success with anyone under 3k? A few guys have good 1500m for 5k guys. If you are one the guys who might be more of a 800-3000 guy like RH, I could see being worried.

Now some of that stuff might just not having the athletes.

Some early results from BU this past weekend:

- 4 between 8:05 - 8:08 in the 3k

- 3 in the 5k at 13:55, 14:00, 14:23

All freshmen (eligibility). Not like these times mean what they used to, but it's a good start.

a good star... two years in?

He's technically been there only 15-16 months. A lot of people overreacting on this board lol

Yeah, and how did their freshmen xc and indoor track seasons go? Maybe Jerry should have actually done some coaching over the summer. He allowed Burns to waste his freshman xc eligibility. A 14 flat 5000m was about all he got out of indoor track. No appearance for Birnbaum. So, are we supposed to believe that his miracle coaching will materialize next year? Burns will probably redshirt xc next year to make up for this year's terrible decision-making, and who knows whether Birnbaum will even be healthy.