Is anyone else disappointed that a lot of fast times were not produced this outdoor season in distance college cross-country

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11 months ago 05/23/2023 11:40am EDT

Probably the most egregious example is: For the men, no one under 13:20, only 1 person under 13:25. There was maybe two fast 5K races the whole year: The week after XC ended and the one race where Charles Hicks and Patrick Kiprop got close to 13:20 and they were both indoors.

I was kind of excited for a little while that college running was getting really cut throat, and the talent is still there, but I think they're just racing more strategically and there's no incentive at any point to ever run a fast PR. I'm kind of one of the people in my general vicinity who even finds people running around a track over and over entertaining, and it's less fun when I know that at no point over a 2-3 month season no one is running to their fullest potential. I think in the 3K Steeple, 800, and 1500 people have been arriving a little closer to it (I'm not as good w/1500 and mile conversions)

Would I enjoy basketball if they were resting their starters more? Would I enjoy skiing if they weren't attacking the race course every time? would I enjoy the X games if they were playing it safe? It's like that. Would the diamond league be exciting if people were running slower times but still getting wins?

11 months ago 05/23/2023 11:45am EDT

re: Ok7272

Yes, it was disappointing, but I expect fast times in June. There was no incentive to run really fast because they take 48 for regionals, whereas indoors they had to be top 16 declared to make it.

11 months ago 05/23/2023 12:49pm EDT

re: Ok7272

The way the qualifying system works drives the performance level.

Indoors is a free for all race to top 16. Outdoors only needing to be top 96 to advance…

Also for the 5k-10k- Steeple kids they are tired come outdoors, started racing in September. Why go run 13:10 in April when you need to race conference, first round, nationals, and maybe USA’s

11 months ago 05/23/2023 1:01pm EDT

re: Ok7272

yeah, but indoor season in distance college cross-country produced a ton of fast times

11 months ago 05/23/2023 1:42pm EDT

re: Ok7272

I think some of the hard hitters had injury or sickness derailments. Nico Young, McMahon Staggs, Bosley etc

Then you also have some pro's building up for late summer peak where last year a lot of those guys were doing big races in May/June. Last year worlds were in mid July now they are in mid August. Those pros would drive the races where fast times could happen.

Like last year the On Track Fest had Ingebrigsten and Mohamed Mohamed to headline their 5K where the NCAA record was broken and a bunch of guys ran sub 13:30. This year most people ditched.

10 months ago 05/29/2023 10:10pm EDT

re: Ok7272

Ok7272 wrote:
Probably the most egregious example is: For the men, no one under 13:20, only 1 person under 13:25. There was maybe two fast 5K races the whole year: The week after XC ended and the one race where Charles Hicks and Patrick Kiprop got close to 13:20 and they were both indoors.
I was kind of excited for a little while that college running was getting really cut throat, and the talent is still there, but I think they're just racing more strategically and there's no incentive at any point to ever run a fast PR. I'm kind of one of the people in my general vicinity who even finds people running around a track over and over entertaining, and it's less fun when I know that at no point over a 2-3 month season no one is running to their fullest potential. I think in the 3K Steeple, 800, and 1500 people have been arriving a little closer to it (I'm not as good w/1500 and mile conversions)
Would I enjoy basketball if they were resting their starters more? Would I enjoy skiing if they weren't attacking the race course every time? would I enjoy the X games if they were playing it safe? It's like that. Would the diamond league be exciting if people were running slower times but still getting wins?

Jesus mcfu*cking Christ you G*od*amn people. Who the fu*ck cares if a fast time gets produced. It’s racing. It’s about winning. You can run a f*ucking 10 minute 5k and I would still stick my head in the God*amn ground.

How about you go back and watch some actual college racing. 16’ 17’ cross nationals. Geordie beamish outkicking ollie hoare in a fu*cking 4:10 mile. but instead all you “new gen” sh*its just wanna watch some prick run uncontested all the way out in front to grab a record that gets broke every 6 months.

10 months ago 05/29/2023 10:13pm EDT

re: Shutupmygod

Shutupmygod wrote:
Ok7272 wrote:
Probably the most egregious example is: For the men, no one under 13:20, only 1 person under 13:25. There was maybe two fast 5K races the whole year: The week after XC ended and the one race where Charles Hicks and Patrick Kiprop got close to 13:20 and they were both indoor
Jesus mcfu*cking Christ you G*od*amn people. Who the fu*ck cares if a fast time gets produced. It’s racing. It’s about winning. You can run a f*ucking 10 minute 5k and I would still stick my head in the God*amn ground.
How about you go back and watch some actual college racing. 16’ 17’ cross nationals. Geordie beamish outkicking ollie hoare in a fu*cking 4:10 mile. but instead all you “new gen” sh*its just wanna watch some prick run uncontested all the way out in front to grab a record that gets broke every 6 months.

This x1000. What a good race to reference. F**k new gen.

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