You're just noticing this? I assume, then, that you have no idea why. Might wanna Google.
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458777 wrote:
Who gives a F if he was a veteran! You don't use deadly force and kill people unless you life and the life of others are in immediate danger. Notice how his two buddies helped him out. Held him for 15 minutes on a public train. Why is it that black folks are publicly executed by white racist idiots and unarned by the police. This 24yr old POS is going to prison for murder.
The reverse (as well as BM on Asian individuals) happens literally every single day. In fact, statistically it happens more than once a day. And usually it happens to people who actually contribute to society rather than detract from it like this man did.
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If you currently live in NYC please return to your place of origin - I ask as someone who has lived here my entire life - before your p**sy-like nature leads to tragedy
Sincerely,
D.Pound
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Here's a crazy thought. Maybe if you act civilized to other people in public, they won't feel threatened and possibly defend themselves. Other people are not responsible for tolerating your violence regardless of how many mental health issues and drug addictions you have.
You know why Japan is a nice place to live? It's because they don't think it's totally normal to have someone threatening their lives on the subway/street. How you can have deluded yourself in to thinking that a violent man threatening to kill others is the victim blows my mind.304 -
Heresathough wrote:
Here's a crazy thought. Maybe if you act civilized to other people in public, they won't feel threatened and possibly defend themselves. Other people are not responsible for tolerating your violence regardless of how many mental health issues and drug addictions you have.
You know why Japan is a nice place to live? It's because they don't think it's totally normal to have someone threatening their lives on the subway/street. How you can have deluded yourself in to thinking that a violent man threatening to kill others is the victim blows my mind.
WTF are you talking about? You weren't there. What makes you so sure that there was a "violent man threatening to kill others"? Maybe he was violent, but maybe he wasn't. Maybe he was flailing his arms in an uncoordinated manner. Yet you know he was threatening to kill others. God help us if you are ever selected for a jury.
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Learn to read buddy. I'm part of a comment chain and responding to a previous comment. I did not specifically address this situation where the facts are not yet known. I'm responding to a person who told another that fearing for your life when accosted on the subway makes you a pu**y and that you should leave NYC because it doesn't bother 'real NYers'
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Aouita 84 wrote:
The Unknown Citizen wrote:
This is unfortunately typical of reporting, esp. where race is a factor. People on both sides of the divide are all too eager to post inflammatory statements without having all the facts. All they want is to whip up a frenzy for their narrative.
None of us know what went down. We weren't there. Did the deceased make moves toward the marine sufficient enough for him to put the deceased in a chokehold that ultimately resulted on his death? This is not clear. For those citing the deceased's prior arrests it's irrelevant to the actions taken. All that matters is what the deceased did or didn't do at the time of the incident and what the marine did. There are so many questions to be answered. If the marine felt threatened and a reasonable person agreed that the deceased's actions were threatening why didn’t the marine just tackle him and hold him for law enforcement to arrive? Of course a reasonable person might conclude that the deceased's movements, while erratic, were not threatening. Did the deceased produce any sort of weapon? So far we're not hearing that. I have more questions but I always try to keep an open mind before passing judgement.
I agree with most of your post, but there are some questionable observations.
1) "Did the deceased make moves toward the marine sufficient enough for him to put the deceased in a chokehold that ultimately resulted on his death"? It's safe to say YES, as why would a Marine put anyone in a "Choke" without a reason.
2) "If the marine felt threatened and a reasonable person agreed that the deceased's actions were threatening why didn’t the marine just tackle him and hold him for law enforcement to arrive"? Easier said than done. When you're being attacked/threatened by someone who clearly is not stable, you do what is necessary. I am certain the Marine was not trying to kill him, but rather subdue him.
3) "Did the deceased produce any sort of weapon"? Did the Marine? Do you need a weapon to kill and or injure someone? The Marine didn't. As per past tragic events in the NYC subway (pushing people in front of trains or sucker punching people knocking them unconscious). If you feel threatened you do what is necessary to eliminate the threat...PERIOD!
Clearly, we don't know the entire story and my opinion is speculative at best, but given the nature of this story and the situation it's safe to say that some whacked out drug addict/mentally ill person was looking to cause problems and was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Maybe if the NYC leadership stepped up their policing and prosecution policies (Mr. District Attorney Bragg) which actually protects their citizens instead of protecting the repeating offenders that are running rampant, these types of tragedies would cease to exist. These criminals know that they're only going to get a slap on the hand and let go within hours after being picked up by police. Now maybe they'll think twice before assaulting someone.
Hmmm...Just sayin'
Vazquez also confirmed that Neely did not attack any
passengers before being attacked himself.The passenger kept him there for around 15 minutes, according to an independent journalist named Juan Vazquez.
1) Saying a Marine wouldn't do it without reason just because they're a marine is a limited argument. Likewise, I wouldn't be surprised if a marine was overly aggresive in public settings. And their title only says so much about their innate personality.
2) He did what was necassary for 15 minutes? How do you misguage that? I'd like to think if a Marine was this quick to be vigilante, he'd know what he was doing to the person he's subduing over the span of 15 minutes. Even more than the average police officer.
3) Again, argument is limited. Where do you draw the line? There's not always cameras around or a lot of witnesses in subways and people have different tolerances to what they feel like is a "threat", tough cases for courts. The journalist said he didn't attack anyone and that was enough for no one else to intervene so why did the guy who has had specific training in subduing a person intervene?
Still a lot of questions here. Keeping an open mind.
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If you are White and want to know how Blacks feel, How would you feel if Black Police were Killing White Career Criminals, Drug Dealers, Home Invaders, Rapist's etc amd more often than not gewtting away with it? Youy have to put yourself in the other persons shoes to know how they feel.
My guess is if White Career Criminals were being Killed by Black Police who more often than not were found not guilty and some were not charged at all, You would be burning down CVS Stores, Wendy's 7-11 etc. as well Right?
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Chauvinist Pig wrote:
Video footage of the encounter taken by Vázquez and posted to Facebook shows Neely, who was Black, flailing his arms as he is restrained in a chokehold by the veteran, who is white.
Anyone notice that black is capitalized and white isn't?
I also notice black and white use different forms of the verb “to be”
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The uncomfortable truth wrote:
Chauvinist Pig wrote:
Video footage of the encounter taken by Vázquez and posted to Facebook shows Neely, who was Black, flailing his arms as he is restrained in a chokehold by the veteran, who is white.
Anyone notice that black is capitalized and white isn't?
Makes sense. These days dehumanizing white people is encouraged and often rewarded.
cry me a river, white guy
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Chauvinist Pig wrote:
Video footage of the encounter taken by Vázquez and posted to Facebook shows Neely, who was Black, flailing his arms as he is restrained in a chokehold by the veteran, who is white.
Anyone notice that black is capitalized and white isn't?
The effort to provoke a race war has become obvious.
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Aouita 84 wrote:
The Unknown Citizen wrote:
This is unfortunately typical of reporting, esp. where race is a factor. People on both sides of the divide are all too eager to post inflammatory statements without having all the facts. All they want is to whip up a frenzy for their narrative.
None of us know what went down. We weren't there. Did the deceased make moves toward the marine sufficient enough for him to put the deceased in a chokehold that ultimately resulted on his death? This is not clear. For those citing the deceased's prior arrests it's irrelevant to the actions taken. All that matters is what the deceased did or didn't do at the time of the incident and what the marine did. There are so many questions to be answered. If the marine felt threatened and a reasonable person agreed that the deceased's actions were threatening why didn’t the marine just tackle him and hold him for law enforcement to arrive? Of course a reasonable person might conclude that the deceased's movements, while erratic, were not threatening. Did the deceased produce any sort of weapon? So far we're not hearing that. I have more questions but I always try to keep an open mind before passing judgement.
I agree with most of your post, but there are some questionable observations.
1) "Did the deceased make moves toward the marine sufficient enough for him to put the deceased in a chokehold that ultimately resulted on his death"? It's safe to say YES, as why would a Marine put anyone in a "Choke" without a reason.
2) "If the marine felt threatened and a reasonable person agreed that the deceased's actions were threatening why didn’t the marine just tackle him and hold him for law enforcement to arrive"? Easier said than done. When you're being attacked/threatened by someone who clearly is not stable, you do what is necessary. I am certain the Marine was not trying to kill him, but rather subdue him.
3) "Did the deceased produce any sort of weapon"? Did the Marine? Do you need a weapon to kill and or injure someone? The Marine didn't. As per past tragic events in the NYC subway (pushing people in front of trains or sucker punching people knocking them unconscious). If you feel threatened you do what is necessary to eliminate the threat...PERIOD!
Clearly, we don't know the entire story and my opinion is speculative at best, but given the nature of this story and the situation it's safe to say that some whacked out drug addict/mentally ill person was looking to cause problems and was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Maybe if the NYC leadership stepped up their policing and prosecution policies (Mr. District Attorney Bragg) which actually protects their citizens instead of protecting the repeating offenders that are running rampant, these types of tragedies would cease to exist. These criminals know that they're only going to get a slap on the hand and let go within hours after being picked up by police. Now maybe they'll think twice before assaulting someone.
Hmmm...Just sayin'
All I did was read 2 articles and got some answers instead of assuming Yes, the Marine was justified because why else would he put the guy in a chokehold. By that reasoning, the Marine would be justified in doing anything. The guy just sounded desperate for some help. He was yelling he was tired of having no food and drink and he was throwing garbage at people. He wasn't attacking any individual. This is the kind of thing where everyone just moves to the next car to get away.
What right does the Marine have to put a chokehold on him for that long? with two guys helping him. That was murder, not first degree but murder nonetheless. There were no weapons and his previous criminal history is for evading subway fare, disorderly conduct and drug use. I think that guy killed him. It doesn't matter if he wanted to die or there was no hope for him in our society that flees to another car rather than help. That marine had no right to take his life, just like any other person riding the subway.95 -
Don't fall for it. wrote:
Chauvinist Pig wrote:
Video footage of the encounter taken by Vázquez and posted to Facebook shows Neely, who was Black, flailing his arms as he is restrained in a chokehold by the veteran, who is white.
Anyone notice that black is capitalized and white isn't?
The effort to provoke a race war has become obvious.
It's cause when you cap white people are gonna think it means white supremacists, not the Canadian diaspora.
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Yes, the decedent was 30 years old and it is being widely reported that he had 40 (or more, one comment section said he had 44) prior arrests, including for felony assault of a 67-year old woman in 2021. I don't know what happened on Monday afternoon but that is an amazing history.
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OK, I just read he did slug a 67-yr-old woman in the face. He obviously shouldn't have been out and about and there was a warrant for his arrest. Still doesn't mean the ex-Marine had any right to take his life. They got into an argument before the chokehold. Way to de-escalate the situation tough guy.
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This thread will bring out all the incels and boomers.
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Presumably people believe more black people are killed by white people and police each year in the US.
The facts don't match that statement. Do some research.
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Yes I also feel inferior and like a victim because of our small penis’.
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