Man choked to death by rider on NY subway

No charges for the guy who put him in a headlock and had the guts to do what every commuter wants to do. Finally, NYC does something sensible!

He was a career criminal who had been arrested 40+ times. People fear the subways as they're unsafe - who knows that he would have done? Is this somebody you truly want to martyr?

complex.com

Jordan Neely, a Michael Jackson Impersonator, Strangled to Death By U.S. Marine Veteran on NYC Subway

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Jordan Neely, a Black man who had performed as a Michael Jackson impersonator, was killed on a New York City subway train by a man who put him in a chokehold.

Link:www.complex.com/life/a/markelibert/jor...

This is unfortunately typical of reporting, esp. where race is a factor. People on both sides of the divide are all too eager to post inflammatory statements without having all the facts. All they want is to whip up a frenzy for their narrative.

None of us know what went down. We weren't there. Did the deceased make moves toward the marine sufficient enough for him to put the deceased in a chokehold that ultimately resulted on his death? This is not clear. For those citing the deceased's prior arrests it's irrelevant to the actions taken. All that matters is what the deceased did or didn't do at the time of the incident and what the marine did. There are so many questions to be answered. If the marine felt threatened and a reasonable person agreed that the deceased's actions were threatening why didn’t the marine just tackle him and hold him for law enforcement to arrive? Of course a reasonable person might conclude that the deceased's movements, while erratic, were not threatening. Did the deceased produce any sort of weapon? So far we're not hearing that. I have more questions but I always try to keep an open mind before passing judgement.

Who gives a F if he was a veteran! You don't use deadly force and kill people unless you life and the life of others are in immediate danger. Notice how his two buddies helped him out. Held him for 15 minutes on a public train. Why is it that black folks are publicly executed by white racist idiots and unarned by the police. This 24yr old POS is going to prison for murder.

Who cares, it does not affect any of us

Video footage of the encounter taken by Vázquez and posted to Facebook shows Neely, who was Black, flailing his arms as he is restrained in a chokehold by the veteran, who is white.

Anyone notice that black is capitalized and white isn't?

Nope. Man is a hero. Cleaning up the subway is a necessary task.

Just a shame that Bernie Goetz was not around to help out the marine veteran.

Hmm you ever stop and think why we end up in a situation where multiple people are restraining someone with a hefty criminal record for violence/public nuisance on a train? I sure wonder why that would ever happen.

You saying stuff like this is

A: racist because you look at this situation and the first thing that sticks out to you is the race of each individual and you’ve formed your perception of the narrative around that.

B: detracts from trying to fight actual racially motivated violence because when this stuff goes mainstream, the people that don’t believe racially motivated violence happens or even that if it does happen it’s warranted will continue to hold their beliefs. You can easily look at this and say “this wasn’t racially motivated” or as you can see in this very thread “it was racially motivated and he was asking for it”.

Don’t defend people just because they are black. It’s hypocritical and also helps people paint the horrible narrative that black people are violent and they are excused for it because they are black.

Also, I took the liberty of reporting this thread. Imagine if I used certain racial names in a thread title; the left would lose their minds.

Who cares?

Why? I'm on the far right. Just figured that if I wrote something rude about us white people the thread would stay up longer.

The erratic acting person yelled "I don't mind going to jail and getting life in prison, I'm ready to die." Assuming the marine is found guilty of excessive force I doubt he'll be charged with murder or even manslaughter.

Makes sense. These days dehumanizing white people is encouraged and often rewarded.

I agree with most of your post, but there are some questionable observations.

1) "Did the deceased make moves toward the marine sufficient enough for him to put the deceased in a chokehold that ultimately resulted on his death"? It's safe to say YES, as why would a Marine put anyone in a "Choke" without a reason.

2) "If the marine felt threatened and a reasonable person agreed that the deceased's actions were threatening why didn’t the marine just tackle him and hold him for law enforcement to arrive"? Easier said than done. When you're being attacked/threatened by someone who clearly is not stable, you do what is necessary. I am certain the Marine was not trying to kill him, but rather subdue him.

3) "Did the deceased produce any sort of weapon"? Did the Marine? Do you need a weapon to kill and or injure someone? The Marine didn't. As per past tragic events in the NYC subway (pushing people in front of trains or sucker punching people knocking them unconscious). If you feel threatened you do what is necessary to eliminate the threat...PERIOD!

Clearly, we don't know the entire story and my opinion is speculative at best, but given the nature of this story and the situation it's safe to say that some whacked out drug addict/mentally ill person was looking to cause problems and was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Maybe if the NYC leadership stepped up their policing and prosecution policies (Mr. District Attorney Bragg) which actually protects their citizens instead of protecting the repeating offenders that are running rampant, these types of tragedies would cease to exist. These criminals know that they're only going to get a slap on the hand and let go within hours after being picked up by police. Now maybe they'll think twice before assaulting someone.

Hmmm...Just sayin'

Erratic, loud, violent, double digit intelligence AA threatening people and apologists being apologists.......So, Wednesday?

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