Exclude gang drive-bys that hit a school building at 1AM in inner city Chicago and these are almost non-existent
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What are the solutions??? wrote:
What are the solutions? Haven't watched television today but I saw a video clip online of a woman who said she was on vacation in TN. She grabbed the microphone and suggested something should be done. She offered no specifics.
* I don't know how an assault weapon ban was passed decades ago. Were W Clinton and Republicans in Congress more skilled passing Bills than current politicians? As some know, it was a 10 year ban. [A poster or two may want a straight forward definition of assault rifle: automatic or semiautomatic carbine rifle.]
* A weapons ban won't occur in U.S. Too many Limousine Liberals in gated communities are as well armed as their Republican neighbors.
* Convicted felons are already banned (usually) from possessing firearms.
* Many mentally ill are already banned from possessing firearms. If a person has dark antisocial thoughts, why would a person talk to a psychologist or other health care professions in 2023 knowing health care professionals turn in their clients now to law enforcement?
* Even if enough Democrats would vote to ban firearms which is unlikely, Democrats would lose in court. There are so many Democrats who talk like Amy Klobuchar, a firearm ban will not occur.
* For argument sake, pretend there are not Amy Klobuchar types in Congress. Pretend all Democrats voted to ban firearms. As I stated, courts would say, unconstitutional. The only way to legally stop this and not deal with a court challenge: ban ammunition. Nothing stated or implied in Constitution or Amendments regarding right to ammunition.
Ford, Carter, and Reagan came out in support of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban. Let that sink in.
A ban would never work today because there are so many already in circulation.
There is a gun hobby culture now that did't exist in 80s and 90s.
Alan
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Runningart2004 wrote:
What are the solutions??? wrote:
What are the solutions? Haven't watched television today but I saw a video clip online of a woman who said she was on vacation in TN. She grabbed the microphone and suggested something should be done. She offered no specifics.
* I don't know how an assault weapon ban was passed decades ago. Were W Clinton and Republicans in Congress more skilled passing Bills than current politicians? As some know, it was a 10 year ban. [A poster or two may want a straight forward definition of assault rifle: automatic or semiautomatic carbine rifle.]
* A weapons ban won't occur in U.S. Too many Limousine Liberals in gated communities are as well armed as their Republican neighbors.
* Convicted felons are already banned (usually) from possessing firearms.
* Many mentally ill are already banned from possessing firearms. If a person has dark antisocial thoughts, why would a person talk to a psychologist or other health care professions in 2023 knowing health care professionals turn in their clients now to law enforcement?
* Even if enough Democrats would vote to ban firearms which is unlikely, Democrats would lose in court. There are so many Democrats who talk like Amy Klobuchar, a firearm ban will not occur.
* For argument sake, pretend there are not Amy Klobuchar types in Congress. Pretend all Democrats voted to ban firearms. As I stated, courts would say, unconstitutional. The only way to legally stop this and not deal with a court challenge: ban ammunition. Nothing stated or implied in Constitution or Amendments regarding right to ammunition.
Ford, Carter, and Reagan came out in support of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban. Let that sink in.
A ban would never work today because there are so many already in circulation.
There is a gun hobby culture now that did't exist in 80s and 90s.
Alan
You can't ban the existing rifles but you can ban new sales.
Most of the assault weapons used in school shootings etc are newly bought, not weapons that have been sitting under the bed for 10 years.
A ban on new sales would help.
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agip wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
Ford, Carter, and Reagan came out in support of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban. Let that sink in.
A ban would never work today because there are so many already in circulation.
There is a gun hobby culture now that did't exist in 80s and 90s.
Alan
You can't ban the existing rifles but you can ban new sales.
Most of the assault weapons used in school shootings etc are newly bought, not weapons that have been sitting under the bed for 10 years.
A ban on new sales would help.
1. All current guns (except for single shot, shotguns) will need to be checked in and housed with the County armorer.
2. Target shooting will be done on the County faculty grounds. You show up, check your gun out and shoot stuff, then check it back in.
3. Hunting. you check your registered gun out, check it back in. 3 day max check out time.
All guns are registered to an individual and there will be major penalties for anyone but the registered owner caught using a gun.
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Hi there! wrote:
agip wrote:
You can't ban the existing rifles but you can ban new sales.
Most of the assault weapons used in school shootings etc are newly bought, not weapons that have been sitting under the bed for 10 years.
A ban on new sales would help.
1. All current guns (except for single shot, shotguns) will need to be checked in and housed with the County armorer.
2. Target shooting will be done on the County faculty grounds. You show up, check your gun out and shoot stuff, then check it back in.
3. Hunting. you check your registered gun out, check it back in. 3 day max check out time.
All guns are registered to an individual and there will be major penalties for anyone but the registered owner caught using a gun.
let's stay in the boundaries of the possible, eh?
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agip wrote:
Hi there! wrote:
1. All current guns (except for single shot, shotguns) will need to be checked in and housed with the County armorer.
2. Target shooting will be done on the County faculty grounds. You show up, check your gun out and shoot stuff, then check it back in.
3. Hunting. you check your registered gun out, check it back in. 3 day max check out time.
All guns are registered to an individual and there will be major penalties for anyone but the registered owner caught using a gun.
let's stay in the boundaries of the possible, eh?
Have some bold vision. Of course this is possible
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Hi there! wrote:
agip wrote:
let's stay in the boundaries of the possible, eh?
Have some bold vision. Of course this is possible
there are probably 350 million guns in this country. Tracking those in your system would require North Korean levels of government.
millions of gun owners would literally rather shoot law enforcement officers than hand over their weapons.
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agip wrote:
Hi there! wrote:
Have some bold vision. Of course this is possible
there are probably 350 million guns in this country. Tracking those in your system would require North Korean levels of government.
millions of gun owners would literally rather shoot law enforcement officers than hand over their weapons.
I hear you, it would be a monumental shift and effort and culture change, but it’s gonna save someone’s child it’ll be worth it in the long run
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What are the solutions??? wrote:
What are the solutions?
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* For argument sake, pretend there are not Amy Klobuchar types in Congress. Pretend all Democrats voted to ban firearms. As I stated, courts would say, unconstitutional. The only way to legally stop this and not deal with a court challenge: ban ammunition. Nothing stated or implied in Constitution or Amendments regarding right to ammunition.
That just won’t work unfortunately. The constitution has almost never been interpreted literally like that, but rather in the context of both when it was written and how it applies in current times.
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Hurdles400m wrote:
Glen greenwald wrote:
The reform is MORE guns. Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.
Gaius Baltar, is that you? "WE NEED GUNS, MORE GUNS, BIGGER GUNS, BETTER GUNS. . ."
Well, per Republicans, when you send guns to Ukraine you only help to intensify and amplify the conflict, but when you flood them into American communities, you should see an end to the violence. See how that works? It's all so simple!
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As with all things it's not just one thing, it's a mishmash of a lot of things.
1. We have way too many guns. There are so many incidents of casual violence that escalate to shootings, from simple road rage to parking disputes, to bar fights you can end up shot.
2. We do not treat mental illness with the seriousness that it needs. In an effort to destigmatize it, we pretend any and all mental illness is just something you can treat with a pill. And then turn these lunatics out on to the streets, (streets full of guns.)
Crazy people seize on things they see in the news and twist it and turn it. If this person were alive in the 80's she would have done this as part of a "Satanic cult", in the 70's as protest against "the system"...
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I was maybe 10 minutes away on a routine dental appointment as the news unfolded on this. On another forum, a guy's wife works at that school. He said the school does a lot of active shooter training. As you can see in the video, the shooter shot through a locked door and then kicked in the glass to enter. What's stunning to me is how the shooter is so casual walking through the school.
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
NotPC wrote:
female shooter too, so breaking away from the patriarchy. proving that women can do anything men can do.
28 year old female shooter in a blue district. Very good odds this doesn't turn out the way the left hopes.
The LOVE dead kids if they can jump onto the graves and weaponize them.
Once again the child in the room shows what a disgusting waste of air he is.
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I hope that egg man is keeping good track of his expenses. I bet all that international shipping and driving to post office everyday is a lot.
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Please explain Baltimore, Oakland, and Chicago.
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In my opinion, we should just let gang members kill each other. the south side of Chicago is already basically the purge - if they all kill each other, crime would drop significantly
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Nothing is ever going to change in this political climate. We just have to accept that there’s a possibility our children will be murdered in school now.
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idiocy detector wrote:
Don't have time to read 18 pages but I am sure this has been touched on.
Sensible gun reforms will never happen because the GOP is fully funded and sold out to the NRA. The vast Majority of Americans want sensible gun reforms. Even Gun owners want sensible gun reforms. But the GOP does not care because they are bought and paid for by the NRA. And the NRA is funded by Russian Mob money who like the US to be in Chaos. Meanwhile mass shootings will keep happening and citizenry will be distracted w. gaslight bickering on whether the shooters was mentally ill. Whether doors were locked. Video games. Whether there are more shootings in Democrat states vs GOP states. And the Fox News of the world will quickly spin that the left is going to "come take their guns" like fascists.
Then within a day or so the story will fade away again.
The Sandy Hook shooting was the turning point and proved that the US is OK with mass shootings and dead kids simply are not that big of a deal. At least not a big enough deal to get men to feel they could ever part with their God given right to possess a toy that makes them feel manly.
This is all correct. I don’t think there’s any limit of deaths that will sway enough Republicans in gerrymandered districts to pass any meaningful legislation. I think 50,000 Americans could get shot and killed every day and nothing would change.
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huh. wrote:
What are the solutions??? wrote:
What are the solutions?
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* For argument sake, pretend there are not Amy Klobuchar types in Congress. Pretend all Democrats voted to ban firearms. As I stated, courts would say, unconstitutional. The only way to legally stop this and not deal with a court challenge: ban ammunition. Nothing stated or implied in Constitution or Amendments regarding right to ammunition.
That just won’t work unfortunately. The constitution has almost never been interpreted literally like that, but rather in the context of both when it was written and how it applies in current times.
No need to ban ammunition. Just levy huge taxes on ammo purchases. If a bullet or shotgun shell costs $50-100/each, then gun owners will only buy what they need. Self-protection and responsible hunter types will be fine. Militia nutters and shooting enthusiasts with adequacy issues won’t be able to afford their hobby.
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