I agree with a lot of what you say. It is good to hear thinking outside of the norm.
However elite sport is injurious to health and the banned drugs are in medical use to heal injuries and speedy recovery.
So by allowing drugs you enhance good health.That is one criteria sorted.
Then heathy athletes are very much in the spirit of sport.
Then performance enhancers; well we allow and encourage all sort of methods and techniques to enhance performance… so no problems there then.
Banned drugs in medical use to heal injuries are generally supervised by doctors subject to a code of medical ethics. To some extent that use is already permitted by the WADA Code through various mechanisms, when WADA legal alternatives are not possible or practical, e.g. TUEs, and specific allowances for some substances out of competition but not in competition, and methods like allowing infusions for life threatening injuries in serious accidents. It is one thing to lobby for more medically supervised doping, and another to lobby for an anarchy free-for-all.
I agree with a lot of what you say. It is good to hear thinking outside of the norm.
However elite sport is injurious to health and the banned drugs are in medical use to heal injuries and speedy recovery.
So by allowing drugs you enhance good health.That is one criteria sorted.
Then heathy athletes are very much in the spirit of sport.
Then performance enhancers; well we allow and encourage all sort of methods and techniques to enhance performance… so no problems there then.
Banned drugs in medical use to heal injuries are generally supervised by doctors subject to a code of medical ethics. To some extent that use is already permitted by the WADA Code through various mechanisms, when WADA legal alternatives are not possible or practical, e.g. TUEs, and specific allowances for some substances out of competition but not in competition, and methods like allowing infusions for life threatening injuries in serious accidents. It is one thing to lobby for more medically supervised doping, and another to lobby for an anarchy free-for-all.
We have an anarchy based sport anyway ; everyone is free to do there own thing; nearly all of which causes injury and for many there will be major surgery.
Drugs which help recovery would be a huge help; but Wada would rather not see the health of athletes improved;shame on them.
Banned drugs in medical use to heal injuries are generally supervised by doctors subject to a code of medical ethics. To some extent that use is already permitted by the WADA Code through various mechanisms, when WADA legal alternatives are not possible or practical, e.g. TUEs, and specific allowances for some substances out of competition but not in competition, and methods like allowing infusions for life threatening injuries in serious accidents. It is one thing to lobby for more medically supervised doping, and another to lobby for an anarchy free-for-all.
We have an anarchy based sport anyway ; everyone is free to do there own thing; nearly all of which causes injury and for many there will be major surgery.
Drugs which help recovery would be a huge help; but Wada would rather not see the health of athletes improved;shame on them.
If we already have anarchy where everyone is free to do their own thing, isn't that what you want?
I think you should refine your demands to medically supervised and controlled use of a certain class of drugs, if your main concern is really just exercise recovery to improve athlete health, rather than abolishing all drug enforcement. WADA already has a TUE mechanism for that, so perhaps this could be reformed and expanded to promote this lofty goal of health. But we have already seen what your alternative of unsupervised doping looks like for decades before the lofty goals and forces created WADA.
We have an anarchy based sport anyway ; everyone is free to do there own thing; nearly all of which causes injury and for many there will be major surgery.
Drugs which help recovery would be a huge help; but Wada would rather not see the health of athletes improved;shame on them.
If we already have anarchy where everyone is free to do their own thing, isn't that what you want?
I think you should refine your demands to medically supervised and controlled use of a certain class of drugs, if your main concern is really just exercise recovery to improve athlete health, rather than abolishing all drug enforcement. WADA already has a TUE mechanism for that, so perhaps this could be reformed and expanded to promote this lofty goal of health. But we have already seen what your alternative of unsupervised doping looks like for decades before the lofty goals and forces created WADA.
I must admit that I would worry about the use of the range of drugs used in operations esp if they were used mid race but then I am not at all sure Wada can control these anyway.
What ; exactly was wrong with the era before Wada? At least there was an even playing field and the stadiums were sold out.
If we already have anarchy where everyone is free to do their own thing, isn't that what you want?
I think you should refine your demands to medically supervised and controlled use of a certain class of drugs, if your main concern is really just exercise recovery to improve athlete health, rather than abolishing all drug enforcement. WADA already has a TUE mechanism for that, so perhaps this could be reformed and expanded to promote this lofty goal of health. But we have already seen what your alternative of unsupervised doping looks like for decades before the lofty goals and forces created WADA.
I must admit that I would worry about the use of the range of drugs used in operations esp if they were used mid race but then I am not at all sure Wada can control these anyway.
What ; exactly was wrong with the era before Wada? At least there was an even playing field and the stadiums were sold out.
What was wrong? Here is a sample of some health issues: Cyclists like Tom Simpson died, and (allegedly?) several Dutch cyclists from EPO, and Pantani; Lance Armstong's cancer was reportedly triggered or made worse by HGH; Heidi Krieger had so many male hormones, she is now Andreas Krieger; Tyler Hamilton infused a bad batch of blood which nearly killed him; the Russian reportedly had a few athletes with dangerously high blood levels that they should have been hospitalized.
I must admit that I would worry about the use of the range of drugs used in operations esp if they were used mid race but then I am not at all sure Wada can control these anyway.
What ; exactly was wrong with the era before Wada? At least there was an even playing field and the stadiums were sold out.
What was wrong? Here is a sample of some health issues: Cyclists like Tom Simpson died, and (allegedly?) several Dutch cyclists from EPO, and Pantani; Lance Armstong's cancer was reportedly triggered or made worse by HGH; Heidi Krieger had so many male hormones, she is now Andreas Krieger; Tyler Hamilton infused a bad batch of blood which nearly killed him; the Russian reportedly had a few athletes with dangerously high blood levels that they should have been hospitalized.
What did Simpson die of ?
How many cyclists have died by cycling accidents?
Armstrong … reportedly !
Krieger; a non binary that got compo from the State.
Hamilton ; bad batch of blood cos it was all underworld supply.
Russians… high levels of what… reportedly.
Is that the best you can come up with after 70 yrs of sports doping?
What was wrong? Here is a sample of some health issues: Cyclists like Tom Simpson died, and (allegedly?) several Dutch cyclists from EPO, and Pantani; Lance Armstong's cancer was reportedly triggered or made worse by HGH; Heidi Krieger had so many male hormones, she is now Andreas Krieger; Tyler Hamilton infused a bad batch of blood which nearly killed him; the Russian reportedly had a few athletes with dangerously high blood levels that they should have been hospitalized.
What did Simpson die of ?
How many cyclists have died by cycling accidents?
Armstrong … reportedly !
Krieger; a non binary that got compo from the State.
Hamilton ; bad batch of blood cos it was all underworld supply.
Russians… high levels of what… reportedly.
Is that the best you can come up with after 70 yrs of sports doping?
It's not the best I can do, but it's good enough.
If you are generally concerned about athlete health, what do you have against it being medically supervised against a higher code of ethics? Removing all regulations will only ensure health by chance and individual will.
Krieger; a non binary that got compo from the State.
Hamilton ; bad batch of blood cos it was all underworld supply.
Russians… high levels of what… reportedly.
Is that the best you can come up with after 70 yrs of sports doping?
It's not the best I can do, but it's good enough.
If you are generally concerned about athlete health, what do you have against it being medically supervised against a higher code of ethics? Removing all regulations will only ensure health by chance and individual will.
A long long way from being good enough evidence over 70 yrs.
What do you mean by a higher code of ethics? I think that this “ may” be the key.
Elite sport is unhealthy; so if we have an ethical standard for medical drug use set against that then we may be making intellectual progress.
A long long way from being good enough evidence over 70 yrs.
What do you mean by a higher code of ethics? I think that this “ may” be the key.
Elite sport is unhealthy; so if we have an ethical standard for medical drug use set against that then we may be making intellectual progress.
It's not really that complicated. If you want athletes to be healthy as you claim, we have hospitals and doctors and codes of ethics that they should abide by to diagnose problems and prescribe solutions that prioritize the health of their patients.
By code of ethics I mean to exclude doctors hired by team managers or state ministers under instructions to prioritize performance at the risk of health in violation of medical best practices and ethics.
It seems the best way to approach what you want is to lobby for expanding what can be covered under existing mechanisms, e.g. TUEs, to include promoting recovery in a way that maximizes health and minimizes risk to health, rather than to abolish all controls. I don't see that realistically expanding to carte blanche access to steroids, but perhaps something comparable to steroids being allowed for local injections into the muscle, for treating injuries in approved cases under central supervision.
A long long way from being good enough evidence over 70 yrs.
What do you mean by a higher code of ethics? I think that this “ may” be the key.
Elite sport is unhealthy; so if we have an ethical standard for medical drug use set against that then we may be making intellectual progress.
It's not really that complicated. If you want athletes to be healthy as you claim, we have hospitals and doctors and codes of ethics that they should abide by to diagnose problems and prescribe solutions that prioritize the health of their patients.
By code of ethics I mean to exclude doctors hired by team managers or state ministers under instructions to prioritize performance at the risk of health in violation of medical best practices and ethics.
It seems the best way to approach what you want is to lobby for expanding what can be covered under existing mechanisms, e.g. TUEs, to include promoting recovery in a way that maximizes health and minimizes risk to health, rather than to abolish all controls. I don't see that realistically expanding to carte blanche access to steroids, but perhaps something comparable to steroids being allowed for local injections into the muscle, for treating injuries in approved cases under central supervision.
Athletics is unhealthy; taking drugs to improve performance and recovery is not that unhealthy and on balance may well mitigate the bad effects to elite sport.
Athletics is unhealthy; taking drugs to improve performance and recovery is not that unhealthy and on balance may well mitigate the bad effects to elite sport.
Right -- so you want WADA-certified supervised sports medicine?
Athletics is unhealthy; taking drugs to improve performance and recovery is not that unhealthy and on balance may well mitigate the bad effects to elite sport.
Right -- so you want WADA-certified supervised sports medicine?
Have you not worked out in your thousands of posts that is what we already have.
If you were Armstrong I would really mock you but you are doing your best and seem a nice chap so I won’t
Right -- so you want WADA-certified supervised sports medicine?
Have you not worked out in your thousands of posts that is what we already have.
If you were Armstrong I would really mock you but you are doing your best and seem a nice chap so I won’t
I guess you finally worked it out.
That's kinda my point. Seems like we already have (mostly) what you said you wanted, and I don't share your optimism that abolishing that completely will be healthier. It will be cycling in the '90s again, favoring the athlete most willing to risk his health.
Getting back to my original response, while I have expressed a lot of my own ideas, I don't think it should be me or you to decide, but an athlete's union with a stronger voice to shape how to best protect the athlete's interests.
Have you not worked out in your thousands of posts that is what we already have.
If you were Armstrong I would really mock you but you are doing your best and seem a nice chap so I won’t
I guess you finally worked it out.
That's kinda my point. Seems like we already have (mostly) what you said you wanted, and I don't share your optimism that abolishing that completely will be healthier. It will be cycling in the '90s again, favoring the athlete most willing to risk his health.
Getting back to my original response, while I have expressed a lot of my own ideas, I don't think it should be me or you to decide, but an athlete's union with a stronger voice to shape how to best protect the athlete's interests.
Still not got it.
Elite sport favours those who are most willing to risk their health with or without drug use.
Elite sport causes injuries that need surgery in a very high percentage of athletes ; could be as high as 90%.
Drug use from the 80’s has no where at all shown such.