Here’s how the UW men rank on the NCAA list after today’s races:
2. 3:51.90 Joe Waskom 3. 3:52.03 Brian Fay 4. 3:52.62 Kieran Lumb 5. 3:52.76 Nathan Green 6. 3:52.87 Luke Houser 8. 3:53.65 Aidan Ryan 17. 3:55.60 Aaron Ahl
That’s right. Six of the eight fastest men in the NCAA in 2023 run for the same school.
Plus they have Sam Ellis, who ran 3:53.13 today, giving them seven guys at 3:53 or faster. Is this the best collection of milers for any school in NCAA history?
Here’s how the UW men rank on the NCAA list after today’s races:
2. 3:51.90 Joe Waskom 3. 3:52.03 Brian Fay 4. 3:52.62 Kieran Lumb 5. 3:52.76 Nathan Green 6. 3:52.87 Luke Houser 8. 3:53.65 Aidan Ryan 17. 3:55.60 Aaron Ahl
That’s right. Six of the eight fastest men in the NCAA in 2023 run for the same school.
Plus they have Sam Ellis, who ran 3:53.13 today, giving them seven guys at 3:53 or faster. Is this the best collection of milers for any school in NCAA history?
Simply, yes. Even if you go by NCAA rank not time.
Simply, yes. Even if you go by NCAA rank not time.
I agree this is the way to look at it. Not affected by shoes, tracks, etc. Was also probably true for this past spring. Will be curious how long this lasts. I don’t think they have any crazy recruits coming in next year but I chalk their current success up more to Powell’s coaching than his recruiting.
Simply, yes. Even if you go by NCAA rank not time.
I agree this is the way to look at it. Not affected by shoes, tracks, etc. Was also probably true for this past spring. Will be curious how long this lasts. I don’t think they have any crazy recruits coming in next year but I chalk their current success up more to Powell’s coaching than his recruiting.
He learned the secret sauce from following Lanana around before bolting.
But these threads are not aging well...... Morans!
Has anybody really improved under Powell? There were a whole lot of bombs from UW at Pac 12s. A lot of guys stagnating. Some (like Daschbach) fully off the radar. What’s up at Washington?
He might be great at kicking kids off the track and carrying Vins ego in that green Nike wheelbarrow... but if he's the brains behind UO's distance runners , it's time for a change. Salazar and Rupp are done.The defending XC...
I think you would be right if you meant "deepest." I can't remember a team that could field a 7th best guy who has a 3:55 mile time indoors. That is crazy fast!
Simply, yes. Even if you go by NCAA rank not time.
I agree this is the way to look at it. Not affected by shoes, tracks, etc. Was also probably true for this past spring. Will be curious how long this lasts. I don’t think they have any crazy recruits coming in next year but I chalk their current success up more to Powell’s coaching than his recruiting.
Most of the top guys are 24-25 year olds with limited eligibility left so I doubt they’ll have something crazy like 8 sub 4 guys or 7 NCAA qualifiers again but I do believe that they’ll consistently produce top milers. The coaching will remain and I have to imagine that some/most of the graduating athletes will stay and train with Prakel, Gregorek, maybe forming a pro group in Seattle which will contribute towards UW’s training environment.
Here’s how the UW men rank on the NCAA list after today’s races:
2. 3:51.90 Joe Waskom 3. 3:52.03 Brian Fay 4. 3:52.62 Kieran Lumb 5. 3:52.76 Nathan Green 6. 3:52.87 Luke Houser 8. 3:53.65 Aidan Ryan 17. 3:55.60 Aaron Ahl
That’s right. Six of the eight fastest men in the NCAA in 2023 run for the same school.
Plus they have Sam Ellis, who ran 3:53.13 today, giving them seven guys at 3:53 or faster. Is this the best collection of milers for any school in NCAA history?
Quite possibly the easiest “yes” in LR history, I think.
it’ll be interesting to see what they score in the NCAA across whatever events they all run.
Simply, yes. Even if you go by NCAA rank not time.
I chalk their current success up more to Powell’s coaching than his recruiting.
This is flat out wrong. Most of them are grad transfers who broke 4 BEFORE going to UW. Most of them are also 25 years old and wouldn't have eligiblity in and other era.
Their mile success comes with a PERMANENT ASTERISK because they lost to in state rival Gonzaga this year in cross country.
There's no doubt NAU or OSU could produce a better group of milers if they wanted to, but they would rather compete for the NCAA title in cross country.
I chalk their current success up more to Powell’s coaching than his recruiting.
This is flat out wrong. Most of them are grad transfers who broke 4 BEFORE going to UW. Most of them are also 25 years old and wouldn't have eligiblity in and other era.
Their mile success comes with a PERMANENT ASTERISK because they lost to in state rival Gonzaga this year in cross country.
There's no doubt NAU or OSU could produce a better group of milers if they wanted to, but they would rather compete for the NCAA title in cross country.
I chalk their current success up more to Powell’s coaching than his recruiting.
This is flat out wrong. Most of them are grad transfers who broke 4 BEFORE going to UW. Most of them are also 25 years old and wouldn't have eligiblity in and other era.
Their mile success comes with a PERMANENT ASTERISK because they lost to in state rival Gonzaga this year in cross country.
There's no doubt NAU or OSU could produce a better group of milers if they wanted to, but they would rather compete for the NCAA title in cross country.
Can you please list the ages and respective eligibility years of all of the 7 UW guys?. I have long made an example of what you say, generally across NCAA MD-Distance running. I would like to know the facts..not guesstimates on UW.
Here is what I see:
Waskom, his 4th year out of HS.listed as a soph? Must be 22 or turning 22-23
Fay is already 24
Lumb already 24
Greene is a redshirt type frosh..no big deal there except for his really fast 20 year old running LOL
Ryan is in his 4th year, not sure how old listed as a Junior
Houser is in his 4th year out of HS listed as a Junior
Ahl is 24, 1-two years older tan a Normal 4 year senior
So, most guys are 1-2 years old, for where they are in College.
At least that I see. The 1 Year old guys is no big deal..as Red shirting is normal..if guys were in the CoVid window..they got that year back too. But this kind of illustrates my point as well, the wild amount of fast milers..has a bunch of these guys in that sampling.Normally they would be gone, pros..or working.
I chalk their current success up more to Powell’s coaching than his recruiting.
This is flat out wrong. Most of them are grad transfers who broke 4 BEFORE going to UW. Most of them are also 25 years old and wouldn't have eligiblity in and other era.
Their mile success comes with a PERMANENT ASTERISK because they lost to in state rival Gonzaga this year in cross country.
There's no doubt NAU or OSU could produce a better group of milers if they wanted to, but they would rather compete for the NCAA title in cross country.
Most of UW guys are NOT 25 years old..in fact not sure there is even one.
Oregon went 1-2-3 at NCAA’s in the 1500 in 2010, but Washington is far deeper currently.
Worth nothing their top mile times that year (including 1500 conversions) were 3:47, 3:53, 3:53. Centro ran a 3:51 equivalent the next year as a senior and got a world bronze, Wheating was already an Olympian and ran 1:44/3:30 that year, and Acosta ran 3:53 full mile at Pre that year. People love to talk about their 3:57-3:58 indoor miles as an example of how much faster people are now, but the truth was in 2010 nobody even tried to run that fast indoors, or during the collegiate season. Outdoor and PS marks were much much faster, and compare much more favorably to the times being put down today.
That said, 5 guys at 3:52 or better is still an incredible college squad, and likely the deepest team of all time (especially when you consider all the other UW guys from 3:53-3:59). But the all-time great Oregon and Arkansas squads still compare really favorably when you look at actual PRs, and they achieved much greater success in competition.
I agree this is the way to look at it. Not affected by shoes, tracks, etc. Was also probably true for this past spring. Will be curious how long this lasts. I don’t think they have any crazy recruits coming in next year but I chalk their current success up more to Powell’s coaching than his recruiting.
He learned the secret sauce from following Lanana around before bolting.
But these threads are not aging well...... Morans!
Maybe he got tired of losing and stepped his coaching game up! We'll see how things progress at Natty's and outdoors. An XC team full of 7 sub 4 guys should be competing for the title in the fall.
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