Uh what’s up with Andy Powell/Washington?

Good recruiters, bad developers.

Uh, Metcalf is gone...

I don’t know but if they ruin Nathan Green I will riot.

It’s the adidas.

cherry.picker wrote:

It’s the adidas.

Are all the athletes wearing adidas? If that's true, they have no chance. I'm serious.

It's disgraceful that adidas won't let the athletes out of their crappy spikes.

Why would a top men's recruit choose anywhere but NAU right now? Flagstaff is the epicenter of American distance running right now(at any level), and coach Smith is hands down the best men's coach. Of course, the school is total garbage, but where you go for undergrad doesn't matter anyway.

I'm sure Powell will make the Huskies a decent team in a few years. Daschbach doesn't surprise me at all. He's in the same boat as Drew Hunter. He's a fantastic talent, but he was supremely trained and fit already by the time he got to college. He's just not going to have huge gains because he's already so fit.

Oregon seems like pretty good choice, too...

runnER/DR wrote:

Why would a top men's recruit choose anywhere but NAU right now? Flagstaff is the epicenter of American distance running right now(at any level), and coach Smith is hands down the best men's coach. Of course, the school is total garbage, but where you go for undergrad doesn't matter anyway.

I'm sure Powell will make the Huskies a decent team in a few years. Daschbach doesn't surprise me at all. He's in the same boat as Drew Hunter. He's a fantastic talent, but he was supremely trained and fit already by the time he got to college. He's just not going to have huge gains because he's already so fit.

An 800/1500 runner would choose Oregon over NAU any day. A 1500/5k/10k runner would take a good hard look at Notre Dame too, especially if they care about academics. Then there are the dozens of other schools where the argument go there is marginally weaker than NAU, Oregon or Notre Dame, but they still have plenty going for them (UMichigan, VTech, Ole Miss, GTown, Nova, Butler, BYU, Colorado, Harvard, Iowa State, etc.).

Washington over-paid for reputation, not performance.

DI Coach Here wrote:

Washington over-paid for reputation, not performance.

Kind of sad. I really wanted to see what Culpepper, Daschbach, Nathan Green, et. al. could do.

There have been some years in the past where Powell at Oregon did not peak his athletes at exactly the right time. For instance, one year, a number of them weren't that great at NCAA's, but within two weeks they were running huge pr's at an elite race in the 1500m. Maybe they're in heavy training still and will be set free only at NCAA's.

birdbeard2 wrote:

DI Coach Here wrote:

Washington over-paid for reputation, not performance.

Kind of sad. I really wanted to see what Culpepper, Daschbach, Nathan Green, et. al. could do.

Hopefully Culpepper will wise up and transfer out to CU.

Check out Andys kid in the 3K steeple. Freshman Joe Waskom. Ran a 8:35! I would say he is developing just fine!

birdbearddos wrote:

Has anybody really improved under Powell? There were a whole lot of bombs from UW at Pac 12s. A lot of guys stagnating. Some (like Daschbach) fully off the radar. What’s up at Washington?

Andy isn't a good, but not great coach.

He was carried by the talent that was at Oregon, and is also at Washington. You know how bad of a coach you would have to be to screw Ches up?

Now that Oregon has a truly great coach, and that talent, you are seeing how meh Powell actually is.

They all wore Nike spikes. Calm down rojo. Is all you talk about the spikes these days?

TRACKFAN253045 wrote:

Check out Andys kid in the 3K steeple. Freshman Joe Waskom. Ran a 8:35! I would say he is developing just fine!

I'm a lifelong Husky fan. Despite the years of Metcalf's mostly-underperforming talent, I'll stick with them. So far I think Powell has done better than Metcalf, but not by a large margin. It's tough, though, to judge improvement, as the last ten years its become commonplace for whole teams - BYU, NAU, Stanford, ND, etc. to suddenly have depth and massive improvements that would previously be only found in NCAA finals.

That said, Waskom along with quite a few other guys and made positive steps:

Sam Tanner, 3:34.72i. Not exactly asleep at the wheel.

Culpepper has improved, albiet slightly, to 3:41.29

Houser ran 4:06/8:57 in HS and has now run 7:58/13:43 as a FR

Nading was a 3:45 DII guy who went 3:59.2i once he transferred.

Proctor was a 8:55 HS small-school stud and became a XC AA and now has 13:46/28:31

Slenning has a 8:26 3000m HS best and now has run 8:43 S/C

shootpost wrote:

birdbearddos wrote:

Has anybody really improved under Powell? There were a whole lot of bombs from UW at Pac 12s. A lot of guys stagnating. Some (like Daschbach) fully off the radar. What’s up at Washington?

Andy isn't a good, but not great coach.

He was carried by the talent that was at Oregon, and is also at Washington. You know how bad of a coach you would have to be to screw Ches up?

Now that Oregon has a truly great coach, and that talent, you are seeing how meh Powell actually is.

Ches has struggled a lot as a pro. Constantly injured. Very few athletes that ran for Powell at Oregon have had great pro careers. They're all very talented, so you'll see some blips on the radar, but mostly injury and busts.

Powell is a very good coach. I don't know what standards people have set to determine if someone is good rather than mediocre. A coach might have very advanced training methods, but not every athlete will respond the same. Where I would be concerned is if athletes came in and almost no one showed more than minimal improvement.

blue 7 wrote:

Powell is a very good coach. I don't know what standards people have set to determine if someone is good rather than mediocre. A coach might have very advanced training methods, but not every athlete will respond the same. Where I would be concerned is if athletes came in and almost no one showed more than minimal improvement.

He is good, not very good.

His athletes are showing improvement, but less than what people would hope for. He hasn't been able to produce NCAA contenders.

His strength is in recruiting.