Yared the "up and comer" is a year older than Jakob

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1 year ago 02/22/2023 11:29pm EST

re: High hopes

High hopes wrote:
Jakob hasn't peaked yet. Most athletes will reach their physical peak between 26 and 28, and that's irrespective of how young they were when they started training. That Jakob had a heavy load from age 10 is only an advantage for him and leaves everyone else playing catch-up. With modern sports science, he could be at the very top into his early thirties - just look at LeBron, Messi, Ronaldo, Djokovic.
The biggest impediment to Jakob staying at the top is mental burnout but becoming the only three-time Olympic champion in the 1500 seems to be a big motivation for him

23 is the average peak age by PR amongst top 100 male athletes in every discipline under 10k. Do some research.

alltime-athletics.com

Men's 5000m

5000, 5000m, 5000 meters, statistics

Link:www.alltime-athletics.com/m_5000ok.htm

alltime-athletics.com

Men's 1500m

1500m, 1500 meters, 1500 metres, statistics

Link:http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_150...

alltime-athletics.com

Men's 800m

800m, 800 meters, 800 metres, statistics

Link:http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_800...

Jared and Jakob are most likely in their prime right now.

1 year ago 02/23/2023 12:05am EST

re: BrighamOLD

I've stopped doubting Jakob. This is a man who ran a 3:31 1500 as a 17 year old, easily won the Olympics and toyed with a great 5k field last year. He fears no one after years of battling Africans. He has Michael Jordan like confidence and intensity.

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1 year ago 02/23/2023 12:39am EST

re: Peak tracker don lemon

Peak tracker don lemon wrote:
High hopes wrote:
Jakob hasn't peaked yet. Most athletes will reach their physical peak between 26 and 28, and that's irrespective of how young they were when they started training. That Jakob had a heavy load from age 10 is only an advantage for him and leaves everyone else playing catch-up. With modern sports science, he could be at the very top into his early thirties - just look at LeBron, Messi, Ronaldo, Djokovic.
The biggest impediment to Jakob staying at the top is mental burnout but becoming the only three-time Olympic champion in the 1500 seems to be a big motivation for him
23 is the average peak age by PR amongst top 100 male athletes in every discipline under 10k. Do some research.
Link:www.alltime-athletics.com/m_5000ok.htm
Link:http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_150...
Link:http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_800...
Jared and Jakob are most likely in their prime right now.

That's Yared, not Jared. But yeah, I agree that if someone actually has top-level training development like Jakob (or like Jim Ryun starting older but going for it and not waiting for a lifetime peak), they will be in their peak starting by the late teens. Natural levels of the important 'performance' hormones like HGH and testosterone all peak before age 20. That peaks in running are often delayed beyond the early 20s is due a slower approach to training development, not that the is body physically most capable later. In swimming, you'll see a lot of athletes reach peak in high school because the body is fully capable then, and they're not worried about impact recovery.

Also, if we are talking actual peak age of competitive runners, most people that race in high school and college actually do peak in their teens or early 20s because very few of them are as motivated after graduation.

1 year ago 02/23/2023 4:11am EST

re: Peak tracker don lemon

Peak tracker don lemon wrote:
High hopes wrote:
Jakob hasn't peaked yet. Most athletes will reach their physical peak between 26 and 28, and that's irrespective of how young they were when they started training. That Jakob had a heavy load from age 10 is only an advantage for him and leaves everyone else playing catch-up. With modern sports science, he could be at the very top into his early thirties - just look at LeBron, Messi, Ronaldo, Djokovic.
The biggest impediment to Jakob staying at the top is mental burnout but becoming the only three-time Olympic champion in the 1500 seems to be a big motivation for him
23 is the average peak age by PR amongst top 100 male athletes in every discipline under 10k. Do some research.
Link:www.alltime-athletics.com/m_5000ok.htm
Link:http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_150...
Link:http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_800...
Jared and Jakob are most likely in their prime right now.

That's partly because you're including athletes who are still competing and we can't know if they've peaked, and you're including multiple performances from the same athlete, you should use the WA list instead. Let's just take the top 10 1500m all time list and age they set their PB (excluding those still competing as it's impossible to know if they've peaked yet):

1. El Guerrouj 23

2. Lagat 26

3. Kiprop 26

4. Morceli 25

5. Kiplagat 24

6. Ngeny 22

7. Makhloufi 27

8. Iguider 28

9. Manangoi 24

10. Farah 30

Average age: 25.5

I'm not doing the top 100 but other notable athletes by age of PB

Coe 29

Maree 28

Willis 32

Aouita 25

Centro 25

Ovett 27

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1 year ago 02/23/2023 6:18am EST

re: High hopes

In my opinion one should separate levels in 3 categories:

Level 1:

Generation 70/80

Level 2:

Generation 90

Level 3:

Generation 2012+

1 year ago 02/23/2023 11:36am EST

re: L'innoculateur

L'innoculateur wrote:
In my opinion one should separate levels in 3 categories:
Level 1:
Generation 70/80
Level 2:
Generation 90
Level 3:
Generation 2012+

Level 1: pre-1970s, who knows what was going on, total free-for-all

Level 2: 70s and 80s, doping but careful to stop in time for races. No out of competition testing.

Level 3: 90s, out of competition testing begins but no test available for EPO. Total free-for-all for people abusing EPO

Level 4: 1999-2018, test for EPO developed in time for Sydney Olympics, WADA established

Level 5: 2019-onwards, the superspike era

1 year ago 02/23/2023 1:28pm EST

re: BrighamOLD

Jakob didn't get better from last year to this year (yet). Jakob ran 3:30 indoor 1500 last year, this year he set up an attempt to potentially beat that and ran, what, 3:32? Yared improved a lot this year setting multiple PRs and is now arguably equal to Jakob's fitness. Let's see if Jakob cranks it up a level outdoors and if Yared still has more in the tank for another step up outdoors.

1 year ago 02/23/2023 1:44pm EST

re: Hot Takes

Jakob has run one race this year and you're ready to declare he hasn't improved? Tough crowd...

1 year ago 02/23/2023 2:59pm EST

re: BrighamOLD

BrighamOLD wrote:
Let that sink in

And Jakob has probably been running for 5 years more

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