Official Lievin Discussion Thread: Update on pacing lights - every distance race but mens 800 to be at WR pace

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1 year ago 02/15/2023 5:09pm EST

re: disagree sir

disagree sir wrote:
I really disagree with this. For US pro meets, Flotrack has none of them outside of BU. Flotrack is good if you are into college track.
Nearly everything pro in the US is USATF+ it seems.
Flotrack has the rights to the obscure European meets and BU. Everything else is college. The obscure European meets (i'm counting this one) you can get with a VPN. Diamond League is on Peacock.
USATF+ has the rights to some of the streaming of the US pro meets as they are associated with USATF . Then you have Sound Running Meets which are streamed free or PPV.

Fair enough. Those obscure Continental Tour Gold meets are pretty high quality to me. They also are Global (Kip Keino meet, Aussie meet, Tokyo). I’d rather watch most of them and the indoor meets than most of what’s on RunnerSpace+

1 year ago 02/15/2023 5:09pm EST

re: THOUGHTSLEADER

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Ykdje wrote:
No you are missing my point. Alamirew was at least as talented as Girma. Alamirew faced stronger competition than Girma because he wasn’t contesting the 3000m steeplechase. Maybe Alamirew should have been in the steeplechase.
They both ran World Indoors. Whereas Alamirew bombed twice, Girma was really close to Gold last year. I’m not saying he was a scrub but Girma is consistent and really good in Championships. Sure the Steeple isn’t deep but Kipruto, Wale and El Bakkali are all good athletes.

Maybe Girma has produced more at championships sure but I was pushing back at the notion that he is going to run sub 12:40. It is very unlikely for anyone to do that of course. That Rome race in 2012 doesn’t happen very often.

1 year ago 02/15/2023 5:11pm EST

re: lmohraw

lmohraw wrote:
Kenyan in Kairo wrote:
Aouita ran a steeple in 8:21,92, so 3:29,46
Aouita's not the fastest steepler. The question was does anyone know who the fastest steeple runner over 1500 was?

Well if THAT was the question then the answer is Saif Saaeed Shaheen, 3:33.51.

1 year ago 02/15/2023 5:12pm EST

re: Ykdje

Ykdje wrote:
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
They both ran World Indoors. Whereas Alamirew bombed twice, Girma was really close to Gold last year. I’m not saying he was a scrub but Girma is consistent and really good in Championships. Sure the Steeple isn’t deep but Kipruto, Wale and El Bakkali are all good athletes.
Maybe Girma has produced more at championships sure but I was pushing back at the notion that he is going to run sub 12:40. It is very unlikely for anyone to do that of course. That Rome race in 2012 doesn’t happen very often.

Paris in 2012 is what I meant.

1 year ago 02/15/2023 5:13pm EST

re: Wise Old Man

Wise Old Man wrote:
Ok, Krop was decent, but I think most people thought he’d do better than 6-7 seconds off the pace. It’s all about expectations (of us fans:-) (jk) realistic or not. Fisher wasn’t “horrible” either, but you think if he’s going all the way to Europe he’d be ready to run closer to the AR or why bother. What did Krop or Fisher expect today? I guess that’s what matters. For example, you get the sense that Jakob didn’t expect better than 3:32, not really, so he’s good.

I like Krop a lot as an athlete, but Im not sure indoors is his greatest priority. He also has been a little hit or miss in 3ks. He ran pretty conservatively today (probably smart).

1 year ago 02/15/2023 5:15pm EST

re: wejo

wejo wrote:

Granted last year he had the 12:53.

Was this intentional?

1 year ago 02/15/2023 5:15pm EST

re: Ykdje

Ykdje wrote:
Paris in 2012 is what I meant.

Gotcha yeah, without more insight into Girma it’s hard to project his best flat event (1500 or 5000). You’d think on either end of the spectrum he could run sub 3:32 or sub 13, but not sure where his best event lies and how fast he could go.

1 year ago 02/15/2023 5:16pm EST

re: lmohraw

lmohraw wrote:
Kenyan in Kairo wrote:
Aouita ran a steeple in 8:21,92, so 3:29,46
Aouita's not the fastest steepler. The question was does anyone know who the fastest steeple runner over 1500 was?

Gotta be Bakkali.

1 year ago 02/15/2023 5:17pm EST

re: John Wesley Harding

John Wesley Harding wrote:
no_deal wrote:
Still meh. Ist the track not su much boink boink?
You guys are just lousy fans. Two world leading times - “a nothingburger”.

Um, the men’s 3000m was the opposite of a nothing-burger! WOW! That alone was worth it. As LR.com made us aware was likely. (not saying more for those who might want to watch without knowing results).

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1 year ago 02/15/2023 5:18pm EST

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Oops, that should be SIX.

1 year ago 02/15/2023 5:18pm EST

re: JMysterio

JMysterio wrote:
lmohraw wrote:
Aouita's not the fastest steepler. The question was does anyone know who the fastest steeple runner over 1500 was?
Gotta be Bakkali.

Must be. 3:31,90. Maybe Girma could go 3:30?

1 year ago 02/15/2023 5:18pm EST

re: John Wesley Harding

John Wesley Harding wrote:
Alamirew ran 7:27 outdoors as well, and 7:28 outdoors in a different year, and won six DL races at 3k/5k, and ran 3:50.4/2:08:56 for the mile/marathon, and 13:06 or faster in 7 straight seasons, and was ranked 2nd in the world in ‘13 & ‘14…so yeah he’s no all-time great but he’s a poor example of a fleeting unreliable East African like I think you’re implying, less of an anomalous flash-in-the-pan than a guy like Ryan Hill, who ran 7:30.

Fair point…he’s more like a Getnet Wale, Telahun Bekele, Choge or Nixon Chepseba than anything. Good on the circuit - trouble in championships

1 year ago 02/15/2023 5:19pm EST

re: Kenyan in Kairo

Kenyan in Kairo wrote:
no_deal wrote:
El Bakkali has run 3:31.9. Anyone faster?
Aouita ran a steeple in 8:21,92, so 3:29,46

Wrong. Jakob ran a steeple in 8:26.81, so 3:28.32. See, that doesn't really work here, does it?

1 year ago 02/15/2023 5:21pm EST

re: Ykdje

Ykdje wrote:
It is possible that Grant cannot race as well without a Woody in training.

Or without authentic Mexican food. Diet is important.

1 year ago 02/15/2023 5:43pm EST

re: wejo

wejo wrote:
This was an indoor PB for Fisher. I'll have to see what he's done the last few years indoors. Granted last year he had the 12:53.
But could it be that he is the one who needs Woody? If Ahmed is hurt who does Fisher train with.
But also talking to Grijalva it sounds like their might not be room at the inn for Kincaid long-term. Wonder if Woody could go back to Bowerman but switch up parts of the training. Sort of tell Jerry "hey it's not your way or the highway. It's a partnership"

Fisher was noticeably limping as he walked away from the finish area. Grabbed onto handrail too. You could see him in the background when they showed Girma still sitting on the track right after the race. Looks like he strained something.

1 year ago 02/15/2023 6:00pm EST

re: John Wesley Harding

John Wesley Harding wrote:
lmohraw wrote:
Aouita's not the fastest steepler. The question was does anyone know who the fastest steeple runner over 1500 was?
Well if THAT was the question then the answer is Saif Saaeed Shaheen, 3:33.51.

Soufiane El Bakkali: 7:58.15 + 3:31.95
Bouabdellah Tahri: 8:01.18 + 3:32.73
Evan Jager: 8:00.45 + 3:32.97
Mahiedine Mekhissi-Benabbad: 8:00.09 + 3:33.12

1 year ago 02/15/2023 6:10pm EST

re: ZZZZZZZZZ

ZZZZZZZZZ wrote:
John Wesley Harding wrote:
Well if THAT was the question then the answer is Saif Saaeed Shaheen, 3:33.51.
Soufiane El Bakkali: 7:58.15 + 3:31.95
Bouabdellah Tahri: 8:01.18 + 3:32.73
Evan Jager: 8:00.45 + 3:32.97
Mahiedine Mekhissi-Benabbad: 8:00.09 + 3:33.12

Well you see it depends on how your parse the question. IF it is the FASTEST STEEPLE RUNNER over 1500m one could say that it is Cherono. But otherwise your answer is better.

1 year ago 02/15/2023 6:14pm EST

re: wejo

wejo wrote:
This was an indoor PB for Fisher. I'll have to see what he's done the last few years indoors. Granted last year he had the 12:53.
But could it be that he is the one who needs Woody? If Ahmed is hurt who does Fisher train with.
But also talking to Grijalva it sounds like their might not be room at the inn for Kincaid long-term. Wonder if Woody could go back to Bowerman but switch up parts of the training. Sort of tell Jerry "hey it's not your way or the highway. It's a partnership"

I’m not sure we have any idea what Grant expected of himself today, and I’m sure he’ll say all the right things if asked. Yes, in the greater scheme of things this race means little to nothing about his prospects for the rest of the year. Sure, it was his indoor PB. Nevertheless, I think all US fans expected a lot more. Maybe not a new AR or the win, but not 7:35 and more than 10 seconds off the pace either. He was 7 seconds off his actual PB!! It may be that BU and Millrose set the expectations too high for all American based athletes this indoor season, but there’s no way around feeling that Fisher’s run today was deflating.

Also, why on earth would Smith and that training group turn away Woody if he wanted to stay? He seems like a great training partner and a big plus. I hope he would be welcomed with open arms by any training group that allows a Nike athlete.

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1 year ago 02/15/2023 6:18pm EST

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For the sake of comparison, how many performances faster than the 1933 world record were run in the 45 subsequent years?

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