”Androsterone, Adiols, Pregnanediol11-ketoetiocholanolone, Etiocholanolone (Etio), testosterone, 5a-androstanediol, and 15 epitestosterone were present in the athlete’s body”
”Androsterone, Adiols, Pregnanediol11-ketoetiocholanolone, Etiocholanolone (Etio), testosterone, 5a-androstanediol, and 15 epitestosterone were present in the athlete’s body”
I wouldn't be surprised if this test result was caused by exogenous testosterone which converts to certain neurosteroids and other androgens
It seems only the Ethiopians have that advantage now as especially their women are better than ever and there have been no doping bust whatsoever.
It's more plausible that Ethiopians have a genetic edge, and that the Kenyans were always riding on the coat-tails of Bilika's success for Ethiopia, doping their way to success disguised under the 'East African natural born runner' legend.
Ethiopians and Kenyans are very different genetically. There is no genetic reason why these two neighbouring countries should be the two best distance running nations out of 200+, when there are a number of other high altitude countries that do next to nothing in distance running.
It seems only the Ethiopians have that advantage now as especially their women are better than ever and there have been no doping bust whatsoever.
It's more plausible that Ethiopians have a genetic edge, and that the Kenyans were always riding on the coat-tails of Bilika's success for Ethiopia, doping their way to success disguised under the 'East African natural born runner' legend.
Ethiopians and Kenyans are very different genetically. There is no genetic reason why these two neighbouring countries should be the two best distance running nations out of 200+, when there are a number of other high altitude countries that do next to nothing in distance running.
"Plausible", the way you use it, is just another word for what you want to believe.
Once again, you unusual focus on genetics is what makes it wrong, but at least in the same sentence you recognize high altitude (an "environmental" factor).
But which number of high altitude countries do you mean? Because top East African distance athletes have also come from Burundi, Djibouti, Eritrea, Tanzania, Somalia, Sudan, and Uganda. USA's best native marathon runner, Ryan Hall grew up at Big Bear, and New Zealand's record holding Robertson twins trained for more than a decade in Kenya and Ethiopia.
Besides altitude, there are the factors of structured training and opportunity to compete. Some of these African countries still get involved in wars, which hinders training and participation in sport. We have seen a few of these refugees move to other countries, and become one of their new country's best athletes.
It's more plausible that Ethiopians have a genetic edge, and that the Kenyans were always riding on the coat-tails of Bilika's success for Ethiopia, doping their way to success disguised under the 'East African natural born runner' legend.
Ethiopians and Kenyans are very different genetically. There is no genetic reason why these two neighbouring countries should be the two best distance running nations out of 200+, when there are a number of other high altitude countries that do next to nothing in distance running.
"Plausible", the way you use it, is just another word for what you want to believe.
Once again, you unusual focus on genetics is what makes it wrong, but at least in the same sentence you recognize high altitude (an "environmental" factor).
But which number of high altitude countries do you mean? Because top East African distance athletes have also come from Burundi, Djibouti, Eritrea, Tanzania, Somalia, Sudan, and Uganda. USA's best native marathon runner, Ryan Hall grew up at Big Bear, and New Zealand's record holding Robertson twins trained for more than a decade in Kenya and Ethiopia.
Besides altitude, there are the factors of structured training and opportunity to compete. Some of these African countries still get involved in wars, which hinders training and participation in sport. We have seen a few of these refugees move to other countries, and become one of their new country's best athletes.
We've seen a few of them get busted too, such as Bol and the 'Swedish' Eritrean junior xcountry champ Fisher.
Note that this guy is in another thread posting wall after text after wall after text defending the view that Kenyan 'dominance' is due to genes not doping, and whose fellow scientific racist on that thread has claimed that Kenyans are to British as Cheetahs are to humans.
"Plausible", the way you use it, is just another word for what you want to believe.
Says the weirdo who believes it is unfair to call runners convicted of anti-doping offences as dopers or cheats, and who goes aganist the universal consensus of scientists, anti-doping experts, WADA, AIU, World Athletics, athletics fans, and the average lay person, in holding that PEDs do not give athletes any advantage.
Note that this guy is in another thread posting wall after text after wall after text defending the view that Kenyan 'dominance' is due to genes not doping, and whose fellow scientific racist on that thread has claimed that Kenyans are to British as Cheetahs are to humans.
Incredible but predictable. Just after I say your focus on "genetics" is precisely what makes it wrong, you accuse me of saying "due to genes not doping". This is a false dichotomy. You must also consider environment, e.g. altitude, bodyweight, diet, mentality, opportunity, training, etc. etc. etc.
"Plausible", the way you use it, is just another word for what you want to believe.
Says the weirdo who believes it is unfair to call runners convicted of anti-doping offences as dopers or cheats, and who goes aganist the universal consensus of scientists, anti-doping experts, WADA, AIU, World Athletics, athletics fans, and the average lay person, in holding that PEDs do not give athletes any advantage.
Once again, if your beliefs of which PEDs worked, we would have seen the effects universally, in Africans and non-Africans alike -- for all the reasons Armstronglivs tells me: human nature, do what it takes to succeed mentality, etc. etc.
There are 11 ways you can violate anti-doping rules. Just like jay-walking or shoplifting does not make you guilty of murder, each offence comes with its own set of pre-requisites and consequences.
I share the consensus of the best scientists that observations in artificial settings, not accurately replicating real training and competition, and conducted on the wrong subjects in the wrong state of training, should not be projected onto elite athletes and their best elite performances. This is basic intellectual common sense.
WADA and bodies like the AIU, WA do not actually burden themselves with deciding which drugs can rightfully be called PEDs in laymen's terms, or whether a PED actually enhanced any performance in each instance, because the WADA standard is a subjective assessment that a drug is potentially able to enhance performance, and the WADA committee doesn't even have to give which reasons were considered for inclusion onto the banned list.
Note that this guy is in another thread posting wall after text after wall after text defending the view that Kenyan 'dominance' is due to genes not doping, and whose fellow scientific racist on that thread has claimed that Kenyans are to British as Cheetahs are to humans.
He's talking about me. I have not said what he claims I did. I tried to tell him that different species, different ethnies, even different tribes in the same country also differ in their genes. I failed.
The word "genes" for him seems to be like a crucifix for Dracula.
