Good point but many times the winning team has a 4x1 and 4x4 which makes for a lot more athletes. I like track titles more because there is a buildup and scoring over several days and many times comes down to knowing exactly what is required in the 4x4. XC takes 20 minutes for the women and then look at the board to see who won. It just doesn't have the same type of feeling that other sports like basketball and football have while track comes closer to having that last second climax.
By staying put this season, Valby will get some good training input and feedback experience from two more very good coaches, greatly helping her development.
Forget the runners and the times and just think about the facts. If I told you that two runners from age 15-20 had two different amounts of improvement but I didn't tell you the times, would you feel the same. One runner has improved by seconds over a 5000 while the other has improved by minutes. Which one would you predict would improve the most over the next 5 years. 95% of coaches would predict the one who has improevd the most would improve the most in the future.
Forget the runners and the times and just think about the facts. If I told you that two runners from age 15-20 had two different amounts of improvement but I didn't tell you the times, would you feel the same. One runner has improved by seconds over a 5000 while the other has improved by minutes. Which one would you predict would improve the most over the next 5 years. 95% of coaches would predict the one who has improevd the most would improve the most in the future.
Tough to decide.
Valby improved her personal bests drastically in a year, Tuohy improved steadily through the years, and Tuohy initially was already fast as a kid, so her improvement won't be the same as Valby who wasn't. We could also say that Tuohy is tested, Valby is not. Progression is a very complicated topic.
Tuohy doesn't need to drop a minute from her PR to win a collegiate title, Valby had to drop minutes to be competitive at the college level and so did everyone else not named Tuohy.
Tuohy is not showing any signs of slowing down. If theres one thing we can take away from the cross country championship race, it is that Tuohy is really strong, and armed with an insane kick, no gap is safe with her in the race. It is going to be a good year of racing!
Your facts are false. Valby's PR in 2017 was 19:19. Her PR in 2019 was 17:07. Her PR in 2022 was 15:20. VAlby was making monster improvements. You make it seem as if she was running 17 minutes at a young age and then just dropped last year. I tried to have people forget the names and just comment on the facts but I knew that theyncouldn't do it. Professional coaches are salivating right now while waiting for Valby to go pro.
Valby would have been able to train with pro runners and be guaranteed a massive BTC contract if she followed Solinsky.
Ignoring the standard Valby vs. Tuohy thread drift and getting back the to question.
Valby chose to stay at the better university, where she is getting closer to graduation, where they have won and can continue to win national championships* with her making an invaluable contribution, where she almost certainly has friends both on and away from the teams, where she has relationships with the current coaches (who are inarguably successful), where she is within a few hours of her hometown.
AND she might have just got a coaching upgrade for her discipline coach.
The case for staying is so much stronger than a case for going that making any claims about the quality of coaching she had, or her relationship with Solinky is a waste of keystrokes.
*Don't we appreciate how special it is to win a team title, in cross country, indoor, or outdoor track even ONCE in a college career, let alone to win multiple rings with a chance for more?
You are correct. So many pure XC fans here can't seem to grasp the excitement of winning a national title in track. The photos make it look like she is pretty close to the other athletes in other event groups. I imagine that she is living out her dream. There isn't a better school for her anywhere regardless of what they could offer her.
You are correct. So many pure XC fans here can't seem to grasp the excitement of winning a national title in track. The photos make it look like she is pretty close to the other athletes in other event groups. I imagine that she is living out her dream. There isn't a better school for her anywhere regardless of what they could offer her.
When Valby was racing the 5k her teammates were going ballistic cheering for her. They were cheering from the infield and from the stands.
Imagine how she felt crossing the line knowing she only needed to score a few points to guarantee a title and she scored 8.
That's way cooler than cross country where you win because your coach put 18 scholarships into 5k runners and very few other programs do that.
Your facts are false. Valby's PR in 2017 was 19:19. Her PR in 2019 was 17:07. Her PR in 2022 was 15:20. VAlby was making monster improvements. You make it seem as if she was running 17 minutes at a young age and then just dropped last year. I tried to have people forget the names and just comment on the facts but I knew that theyncouldn't do it. Professional coaches are salivating right now while waiting for Valby to go pro.
This does not make a lot of sense. You are comparing hs xc PRS on 5k xc courses 19:19 17:07 with a 15:20 on a track in college. The better comp is her 10:10 then Fl record 3200 on the track.
Your facts are false. Valby's PR in 2017 was 19:19. Her PR in 2019 was 17:07. Her PR in 2022 was 15:20. VAlby was making monster improvements. You make it seem as if she was running 17 minutes at a young age and then just dropped last year.
Valby's high school to college freshman progression is the same as everyone else, other runners even has better progression than her. Valby ran 16:54 5k last year, then dropped it to a 15:20 5k split as SEC a year later. Which means she dropped her time drastically in a year and only her. No one knows if Valby can keep progressing like this. Which coach wants her is none of my business.
Just a friendly reminder, tuohy is 4-0 against valby so far….
Just a friendly reminder, this thread was about why Valby didn't follow her coach to Oregon (which is a fair question) and had literally nothing to do with Tuohy, at all.