Muhammad came with an extremely advanced social project that started with a book "Quran" that structured the Arabic Language in a time where your western people were sleeping.
You know that “taking the redpill” is a metaphor for coming out as trans, right?
Taking the red pill is accepting a painful reality in lieu of a comfortable lie (the blue pill). For the Wachowskis, that manifested as confronting gender dysphoria. For other people, it may mean something else. There was never anything trans specific about the red pill concept.
Of course, many “red pilled” men are actually taking the blue pill of cognitive dissonance, actively parroting misinterpreted results or results of poorly conducted studies, because they prop up the lie that these guys are victims of a rotten world rather than their own inadequacies.
Let Indonesia do as Indonesia wishes. Of course, I don't know that a country where 57% of births to millennial women occur out of wedlock and 63% are to women who lack a college education should be doling out advice to other countries on how to approach marriage. If you really want to understand why the gap between the haves and the have nots continues to grow, you really only need to look at those stats right there.
Why do you assume that a correlation between unplanned pregnancies and poverty shows cause and effect? Could it be that they're both symptoms of another problem, like an uneven starting line? Sure people can choose to make good or bad decisions but at the end of the day it's more rare and difficult than you seem to be alleging to change the culture and wealth class you are brought up in. Or do you have data that shows a large number of people of all backgrounds becoming have nots when they have children out of wedlock and that people strike it rich when they don't.
Obviously Indonesia will do as Indonesia wishes but Indonesian rights are human rights. Sex is a basic human instinct, putting people in jail for it is wrong.
Meanwhile in USA all the women are unhappy getting used for sex on online dating apps. Families are falling apart, and children aren't being raised well. This is especially in poor and minority areas where government services provide backwards incentives for responsible behavior.
All of which to say, this seems extreme, but I respect their desire to build a strong culture. Might work better than what's going on over here. Let's reserve judgment for say 50 years and then revisit.
It's not really my place to judge Indonesia's policy on sex outside of marriage. But they chose traditional values over tourism profits and degenerate globalist financiers and that's something I can respect: Based.
There's a flip side to that equation, and that is how much are illegitimacy and venereal disease costing the Indonesian taxpayers. I can't speak for Indonesia, but there is pretty good data on the costs of illegitimate children to the US taxpayer. It is estimated that illegitimate children cost the US taxpayer on the order of $112 billion annually. Additionally, the roughly 20 million new STIs each year cost the US about $16 billion annually. All in, you are looking at $128 billion a year. Total US travel revenue amounts to $220.1 billion a year. A cost benefit analysis would be interesting to take a look at, in so far as how much will tourism revenues decline from the new policy versus how much will the public burden of extramarital sex be reduced.
What are you some kind of rational economist? Next you'll be looking at the cost/benefit of lockdowns and GMO injection mandates. How dare you!?
Let Indonesia do as Indonesia wishes. Of course, I don't know that a country where 57% of births to millennial women occur out of wedlock and 63% are to women who lack a college education should be doling out advice to other countries on how to approach marriage. If you really want to understand why the gap between the haves and the have nots continues to grow, you really only need to look at those stats right there.
Why do you assume that a correlation between unplanned pregnancies and poverty shows cause and effect? Could it be that they're both symptoms of another problem, like an uneven starting line? Sure people can choose to make good or bad decisions but at the end of the day it's more rare and difficult than you seem to be alleging to change the culture and wealth class you are brought up in. Or do you have data that shows a large number of people of all backgrounds becoming have nots when they have children out of wedlock and that people strike it rich when they don't.
Obviously Indonesia will do as Indonesia wishes but Indonesian rights are human rights. Sex is a basic human instinct, putting people in jail for it is wrong.
Taking a dump is a 'basic human instinct', human urge, bodily function, or whatever you want to call it as well. But there are rules about how and where folks do it. Just because something is natural doesn't mean that it is somehow not something to be bound by cultural norms and laws that are aimed at reinforcing them. Next you might say that pedo urges are also human instincts (and they undoubtedly are for some sad folks) and that those should be considered human rights which nobody should be jailed for practicing...
As human history has proven time and time again, making sex outside of marriage taboo is the best way to ensure it never happens. There is NOTHING hot about forbidden love.
Orgasms aren't scary. They are powerful. They cause people (and especially women) to release specific hormones and to have specific feelings that go far beyond momentary pleasure. They are also often the result of copulation which leads to pregnancy. Avoiding pregnancy (while simultaneously seeking orgasms) often involves the consumption of medications that have their own serious side effects. Of course sometimes pregnancy isn't avoided and the unborn children are then killed (or raised poorly). And often the dead unborn children are then packaged and sold for use in cosmetic products or scientific experiments. There is NOTHING hot about killing and selling dead developmentally disabled human beings. There is also NOTHING hot about ingesting synthetic hormones to trick ones body into functioning unnaturally. Ultimately there is NOTHING hot about disregarding the biological realities of sex and making the animalistic sexual urges that we are beset with into some kind of petty and hedonistic hobby. And there is NOTHING hot about equating sex and love.
Why do you assume that a correlation between unplanned pregnancies and poverty shows cause and effect? Could it be that they're both symptoms of another problem, like an uneven starting line? Sure people can choose to make good or bad decisions but at the end of the day it's more rare and difficult than you seem to be alleging to change the culture and wealth class you are brought up in. Or do you have data that shows a large number of people of all backgrounds becoming have nots when they have children out of wedlock and that people strike it rich when they don't.
Obviously Indonesia will do as Indonesia wishes but Indonesian rights are human rights. Sex is a basic human instinct, putting people in jail for it is wrong.
Taking a dump is a 'basic human instinct', human urge, bodily function, or whatever you want to call it as well. But there are rules about how and where folks do it. Just because something is natural doesn't mean that it is somehow not something to be bound by cultural norms and laws that are aimed at reinforcing them. Next you might say that pedo urges are also human instincts (and they undoubtedly are for some sad folks) and that those should be considered human rights which nobody should be jailed for practicing...
Yeah, you need privacy and an appropriate place to use the restroom but people don’t need the government to tell them when or how to do it otherwise. There are not rules about what type of state sanctioned relationship you need to be in before you’re allowed to do it for the first time. Similarly there are already boundaries on sex most places— must be consenting adults and in privacy. No one is saying that there should be no rules about anything regarding sex. You’re either being insincere or not really thinking your analogies through. Then you bring up the pedo thing… I’m not sure why this is such a common go-to to try to show a slippery slope to the extreme. A child cannot consent. You’re talking about a crime with a perpetrator and a victim. This thread was about Indonesia prohibiting consenting adults from having sex outside of marriage, remember?
… At present, if caught cheating, the man often has to pay the husband of the guy whose wife he cheated with. Now, in addition to that financial penalty…
How does that work?
Standard rate?
Pre negotiated rate?
Decided by the court after the fact? If so, how does the court decide the rate? What is the jurisprudence? How beautiful the woman is?
Quite a different culture
The headman of the village where the woman lives negotiates a settlement. Its traditional law outside the formal legal system.
