Wait, it’s ok to talk about weight, body type, height, fat-ness with football players any and all the time. Weight is mentioned so much so that’s it’s published as part of the roster, but when a cross country coach brings it up it creates an investigation? Puh-lease. Weight and height matter as an elite lineman in football and matter the exact same as an elite runner. This isn’t hard…
So where’s the outrage? where are the investigations?
Competitive running is OK if athlete, male or female, maintains energy through enough caloric intake (and maybe every NCAA team should be equipped with a registered dietitian to monitor and coach all athletes on the roster), but American football should really be banned. At least distance running (assuming healthy body maintained) is a sport that encourages lifelong physical activity for longevity and heart health etc. On the other hand, in American football, the players bash brains causing permanent damage and it’s disgusting. But because $ we support it. At least we don’t see over/under bets being made on cross country/track events (or at least I dont) . But thanks to major political lobbying from the gambling industry in the last 5 years or so, NCAA football and NCAA basketball now have these under/over gambling marks for DraftKings sports and other scumbag shtrigged games marketed to losers on the couch, and the same industry markets to these suckers to place bets on the worthless shtcoins (crypto) via companies like FTX (now bankrupt) and Coinbase.
Boo you guys are lame. You never know what you can do unless you try and give yourself the same opportunity as those who were told they could do great things after college. A lot of post collegiate athletes are also capable of working/developing a career outside of running and running at the elite level. If you’ve made it onto a powerhouse D1 team then you are a hell of a lot closer to running professionally than the vast majority of the US. You have to dream it first before you can do it. Not even trying is lame and it’s against the spirit of the sport.
Boo you guys are lame. You never know what you can do unless you try and give yourself the same opportunity as those who were told they could do great things after college. A lot of post collegiate athletes are also capable of working/developing a career outside of running and running at the elite level. If you’ve made it onto a powerhouse D1 team then you are a hell of a lot closer to running professionally than the vast majority of the US. You have to dream it first before you can do it. Not even trying is lame and it’s against the spirit of the sport.
Found the adult who cries at Disney movies.
You're on a website with the tagline "where dreams become reality" who crushed your dreams?
Wait, it’s ok to talk about weight, body type, height, fat-ness with football players any and all the time. Weight is mentioned so much so that’s it’s published as part of the roster, but when a cross country coach brings it up it creates an investigation? Puh-lease. Weight and height matter as an elite lineman in football and matter the exact same as an elite runner. This isn’t hard…
Wait, it’s ok to talk about weight, body type, height, fat-ness with football players any and all the time. Weight is mentioned so much so that’s it’s published as part of the roster, but when a cross country coach brings it up it creates an investigation? Puh-lease. Weight and height matter as an elite lineman in football and matter the exact same as an elite runner. This isn’t hard…
this man gets it
You really can't see that there are different ways of saying and doing things, and where and how you say them, where one way would be abusive and harmful? Honestly? You are that thick? The issue isn't that everyone knows weight matters, this is no secret, the issue is how a coach/program goes about discussing that issue with the athlete. That you can't believe there is a way that a coach could possibly go about this issue in a way that is abusive is just the pinnacle of stupidity. Of course they can.
Note: I have no idea if this coach was abusive and I am not saying he was, that's what the investigation is for. I am just saying that outright denying that it is possible a coach was abusive is just dumb. You can absolutely psychological break down another human being with words.
You really can't see that there are different ways of saying and doing things, and where and how you say them, where one way would be abusive and harmful? Honestly? You are that thick? The issue isn't that everyone knows weight matters, this is no secret, the issue is how a coach/program goes about discussing that issue with the athlete. That you can't believe there is a way that a coach could possibly go about this issue in a way that is abusive is just the pinnacle of stupidity. Of course they can.
Note: I have no idea if this coach was abusive and I am not saying he was, that's what the investigation is for. I am just saying that outright denying that it is possible a coach was abusive is just dumb. You can absolutely psychological break down another human being with words.
This. I don’t know why some can’t understand this simple concept.
Sometimes you just have to say it— you aren’t fast enough, you aren’t small/big enough, you aren’t __________. It’s tough to swallow some times, especially if you were born after ~ 1990.
I think something has changed in North America. Many cultures totally and completely permit and accept discussion about one’s size.
You are too skinny, come eat or you have fattened up, is common language elsewhere.
personally, when I gain weight and someone points it out, I agree and care less about the comment.
should know whether your athlete can handle the discussion
Frankly, if you care about your appearance too much then you need to check your values. If you are devastated about a comment on your personal superficial appearance then you need to check your values.
You really can't see that there are different ways of saying and doing things, and where and how you say them, where one way would be abusive and harmful? Honestly? You are that thick? The issue isn't that everyone knows weight matters, this is no secret, the issue is how a coach/program goes about discussing that issue with the athlete. That you can't believe there is a way that a coach could possibly go about this issue in a way that is abusive is just the pinnacle of stupidity. Of course they can.
Note: I have no idea if this coach was abusive and I am not saying he was, that's what the investigation is for. I am just saying that outright denying that it is possible a coach was abusive is just dumb. You can absolutely psychological break down another human being with words.
Do you want to live in a world were everyone is so soft and hyper-sensitive that you can't have basic common sense discussions?
You really can't see that there are different ways of saying and doing things, and where and how you say them, where one way would be abusive and harmful? Honestly? You are that thick? The issue isn't that everyone knows weight matters, this is no secret, the issue is how a coach/program goes about discussing that issue with the athlete. That you can't believe there is a way that a coach could possibly go about this issue in a way that is abusive is just the pinnacle of stupidity. Of course they can.
Note: I have no idea if this coach was abusive and I am not saying he was, that's what the investigation is for. I am just saying that outright denying that it is possible a coach was abusive is just dumb. You can absolutely psychological break down another human being with words.
Do you want to live in a world were everyone is so soft and hyper-sensitive that you can't have basic common sense discussions?
the middle road is almost always the right way
Sure, you don't yell at a young woman and call her a fat pig (that's not evening happening so it's really a moot point). But you also don't want to drive into the other ditch where common sense is ignored. Be an adult. Have adult conversations.
So where’s the outrage? where are the investigations?
This IS the outrage and investigation. But as the world operates, only the women have been targeted to use body composition alone as an excuse for not improving. As a former cu athlete, I can 100% say that the men on the team do not have the same emphasis placed on their body compositions as the women do. Mark and Heather seem to see the men as full human beings with other aspects of their lives that could impact performance, while the women are seen as bodies easily manipulated.
So no, weight requirements or body compositions are not good for men or women. However, women are usually the ones impacted most by these systems and that is why you don’t see as many men on the team as outraged as the women - they are not treated the same and never will be.
Skobuffs is correct. I ran DI at a school where the men's and women's cross country and track teams shared the same coach. Only the women's team was weighed. Even worse, I found out from one of the guys that the coach would openly share the women's weight information with the men's team. Wrong on so many levels.