It will only get worse. The societal implications are unknown at this point.
The Government should pay ugly men plastic surgeries. Penile enhancement as well (once it's available, unfortunately it still doesn't exist).
The rest (therapy, working on your personality, finding hobbies) is all fake. We nees to address the root cause, which is looks.
It's just isn't true. I know plenty of unattractive men, many of which are also overweight, who are married with children. Some of them are married to not unattractive spouses. What they all can do is have good conversations and they have good personalities.
Don't get me wrong, being attractive does make life easier in all kinds of ways but if you work on your social skills and have good energy you should have no problem finding a mate. If you do then the problem isn't just your looks, it's also other things
The being attractive part was historically the way men and women got together. I'm talking hundreds if not thousands of years ago.
Even the Ancients knew way back then that inbreeding wasn't the way to go. So they'd visit other tribes to find suitable mates.
These days things are a bit different, although beauty is still valuable commodity.
However todays women are so much smarter than their predecessors. Looks aren't the main priority. Personality goes a long way. And being a good provider is not to be over looked.
Lol the problem with dating isn't merely incompetent incels, it's simps. Women in general need to be brought down a peg or two. Things like datings apps, social media and Onlyfans only inflate women's egos - making them think they're higher value than they are. Even average or below average women can dress in skimpy clothes, f*ck with the lighting, put on pounds of makeup AND use camera filters to make themselves appear more attractive and then rake in the insta-likes, Tinder matches and Onlyfans cash.
This is all men's fault; thirsty beta simps who artificially inflate women's sexual value in the dating economy. The solution - stop liking their insta posts, stop swiping right on below average women in dating apps, STOP PAYING FOR F*CKING ONLYFANS!!!! Hold women to a greater standard, don't just put your limp whiskey dick in anything that moves. If men collectively do this, there will be a greater equilibrium in the dating market, and it won't be the bottom 80% of men competing for the bottom 10% of men.
Don't believe me? Watch this video and search more videos of what a woman's Tinder experience is like.
A lot of you guys thought the girl we used in our last experiment (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg931HxUhTw) was too hot. Let's see how this more unattrac...
Lol the problem with dating isn't merely incompetent incels, it's simps. Women in general need to be brought down a peg or two. Things like datings apps, social media and Onlyfans only inflate women's egos - making them think they're higher value than they are. Even average or below average women can dress in skimpy clothes, f*ck with the lighting, put on pounds of makeup AND use camera filters to make themselves appear more attractive and then rake in the insta-likes, Tinder matches and Onlyfans cash.
This is all men's fault; thirsty beta simps who artificially inflate women's sexual value in the dating economy. The solution - stop liking their insta posts, stop swiping right on below average women in dating apps, STOP PAYING FOR F*CKING ONLYFANS!!!! Hold women to a greater standard, don't just put your limp whiskey dick in anything that moves. If men collectively do this, there will be a greater equilibrium in the dating market, and it won't be the bottom 80% of men competing for the bottom 10% of men.
Don't believe me? Watch this video and search more videos of what a woman's Tinder experience is like.
The Government should pay ugly men plastic surgeries. Penile enhancement as well (once it's available, unfortunately it still doesn't exist).
The rest (therapy, working on your personality, finding hobbies) is all fake. We nees to address the root cause, which is looks.
I’m a gay man. I have a lot of female friends; they confide in a lot of their dating and sex lives.
Not once have I ever heard them say a man’s appearance was the problem. And some of them were dating (by my definition) some absolute trolls. One once complained about penis size but because too large and she didn’t enjoy sex at all with him.
Things they did seem concerned with:
-Anger issues
-Hygiene
-Inability or no desire to communicate/listen (most frequent complaint)
According to Psychology Today, modern dating’s higher standards for straight men have created more “lonely, single men” than ever.
“The problem for men is that emotional connection is the lifeblood of healthy, long-term love. Emotional connection requires all the skills that families are still not consistently teaching their young boys.”
Straight men: any truth to this? As women have gotten more equal footing/higher standards, has it become more or less difficult to date/get married?
I've also blogged about this at length on here so I won't repeat. But what I don't like about this framing is that the EXACT SAME NUMBER of women also will not find a desirable monogamous heterosexual relationship. But, it is ALWAYS framed as men's failure.
Tucker Carlson's an idiot but he had a good article in 2018 about the war on boys/men. Some of it is men not taking the initiative but some of it is the educational system favoring women now from MS all the way through grad school and beyond, he argues. So when men in HS/college try to get into the world the corporate world is more of a challenge as a result. Also a lot of gatekeepers now in HR and corporations are female, so they want to get their females a leg up over the hated men. In fairness, it was the reverse for years (boy's networks and golfing buddies, etc.).
I'll have to save this for another blog post, but I'm entertained when modern "liberals"/feminists also try to push anglo-protestant etiquette and work ethic on men. Cringe combination.
The quoted post contains no excuses. Just a straightforward description of behaviors in response to incentives.
Where is your blog, I'd like to read it (no sarcasm, serious response).
I also think social media favors women. Every female I know is killing it on strava, insta, FB. I think the algos are geared toward female users. So whenever they post or tweet or whatever, the algo rewards them with likes and comments more than males I know (not just me but others). The guys that usually get likes/comments/whatever have 1,000 friends or more or are marketing studs.
The Government should pay ugly men plastic surgeries. Penile enhancement as well (once it's available, unfortunately it still doesn't exist).
The rest (therapy, working on your personality, finding hobbies) is all fake. We nees to address the root cause, which is looks.
I’m a gay man. I have a lot of female friends; they confide in a lot of their dating and sex lives.
Not once have I ever heard them say a man’s appearance was the problem. And some of them were dating (by my definition) some absolute trolls. One once complained about penis size but because too large and she didn’t enjoy sex at all with him.
Things they did seem concerned with:
-Anger issues
-Hygiene
-Inability or no desire to communicate/listen (most frequent complaint)
-Jealousy
-No effort put into dates
-No interests other than video games
Complaints about appearance never even came up.
You're slightly missing the point. This is why women break up with men, not why they refuse to date them or talk to them before getting to know them (except maybe the hygiene issue). The earlier post about Marilyn Manson made a good point, you can literally be an old, fat rapist and still hot girlfriends if you're rich with social status.
It’s interesting that a lot of men l, when I was dating, assumed I had been “ran through” even though that was far from the case. And even if I had, so what? Men, on the other hand, can sleep with as many women as they want, and no one calls them out on it.
The fact is, women have more options (due to contraception, education, dating apps) now as compared to many years ago, and both women and men will have difficulty navigating relationships due to these changes. Women can either relax their “standards” a bit, and men can stop being so angry about it.
This is a solid post and it's a good take from a female. I do think there is a double-standard in some cases with the sex thing (slut-shaming) and agree with the females there on that. Economically women are killing it but feminists are still screaming "we only make $0.83 on the dollar" when it's not a discrimination thing, just a career averages/choices thing. I did income verification for 20 months at a mortgage company and it was eye-opening: the women made more than the man in most cases and was usually the primary borrower. So the feminist narrative that women are worse off isn't really true, unless it's for lower-class jobs, where women ARE paid less. In corporate America, women have it BETTER in terms of jobs (white-collar jobs).
I've also blogged about this at length on here so I won't repeat. But what I don't like about this framing is that the EXACT SAME NUMBER of women also will not find a desirable monogamous heterosexual relationship. But, it is ALWAYS framed as men's failure.
Tucker Carlson's an idiot but he had a good article in 2018 about the war on boys/men. Some of it is men not taking the initiative but some of it is the educational system favoring women now from MS all the way through grad school and beyond, he argues. So when men in HS/college try to get into the world the corporate world is more of a challenge as a result. Also a lot of gatekeepers now in HR and corporations are female, so they want to get their females a leg up over the hated men. In fairness, it was the reverse for years (boy's networks and golfing buddies, etc.).
I used to work at a large government agency that was 60 percent women, and the focus of HR was hiring white males. (This was 2010.) It was very openly stated. But the fact is any male with a degree is going into consulting first, and may consider government work later when they need more work-life balance.
Colleges have also been furiously recruiting men to keep the female students coming. I have many examples of parents telling me their sons are heavily recruited but the women not so much.
I work in a traditionally female field most of the time, and the man is getting hired over me for diversity. Fair enough. When I am in more IT focused roles, I have a leg up (so to speak) as a female.
You have to keep applying surgeries to each generation, and kids will grow up either constantly going back into the OR for surgeries, or they’ll grow up ugly; it’s just a mess. There are too many things to fix with most guys that they could never comfortably look above average. You’ve got short height, narrow shoulders, ugly face, baldness, all that must be fixed, it’s much more easily fixed by just having good genetics
Like running. You can only improve what you have. Some guys are doing leg-lengthening surgery!
The Government should pay ugly men plastic surgeries. Penile enhancement as well (once it's available, unfortunately it still doesn't exist).
The rest (therapy, working on your personality, finding hobbies) is all fake. We nees to address the root cause, which is looks.
I’m a gay man. I have a lot of female friends; they confide in a lot of their dating and sex lives.
Not once have I ever heard them say a man’s appearance was the problem. And some of them were dating (by my definition) some absolute trolls. One once complained about penis size but because too large and she didn’t enjoy sex at all with him.
Things they did seem concerned with:
-Anger issues
-Hygiene
-Inability or no desire to communicate/listen (most frequent complaint)
-Jealousy
-No effort put into dates
-No interests other than video games
Complaints about appearance never even came up.
I quit playing video games before I met my wife because I realized I was living in a fantasy world. I was 32 at the time (even though I lived on my own and had friends, and a big social network). But one day I realized I had to grow up. The stereotype sucks but it's true to an extent.
Now that said, that may go out the window if a guy met a girl who was into games and was good at them.
I’m a gay man. I have a lot of female friends; they confide in a lot of their dating and sex lives.
Not once have I ever heard them say a man’s appearance was the problem. And some of them were dating (by my definition) some absolute trolls. One once complained about penis size but because too large and she didn’t enjoy sex at all with him.
Things they did seem concerned with:
-Anger issues
-Hygiene
-Inability or no desire to communicate/listen (most frequent complaint)
-Jealousy
-No effort put into dates
-No interests other than video games
Complaints about appearance never even came up.
You're slightly missing the point. This is why women break up with men, not why they refuse to date them or talk to them before getting to know them (except maybe the hygiene issue). The earlier post about Marilyn Manson made a good point, you can literally be an old, fat rapist and still hot girlfriends if you're rich with social status.
there was a NYT article that interviewed women who made more (and these are executive women at Big4 firms, with husbands who are rich themselves) than their husbands. The women lowered their net worth for reporting reasons in article and the men declined comment on the article. It's just awkward when men make less than women (although I personally think it's not a big deal if the gap is not too big. If it's huge then the social implications are bad for males). Like if a woman makes 60k and the man makes 50k it's not a biggie honestly, but if the woman makes 300k and the man only makes 100k, it's awkward. And it's not like the man is poor at 100k! Social circles and networks are a big part of this.
I've noticed the more successful happy couples in my life in Cbus are where the men and women make about the same (sometimes the woman earns more, sometimes the man earns more but overall they are the same).
Tucker Carlson's an idiot but he had a good article in 2018 about the war on boys/men. Some of it is men not taking the initiative but some of it is the educational system favoring women now from MS all the way through grad school and beyond, he argues. So when men in HS/college try to get into the world the corporate world is more of a challenge as a result. Also a lot of gatekeepers now in HR and corporations are female, so they want to get their females a leg up over the hated men. In fairness, it was the reverse for years (boy's networks and golfing buddies, etc.).
I used to work at a large government agency that was 60 percent women, and the focus of HR was hiring white males. (This was 2010.) It was very openly stated. But the fact is any male with a degree is going into consulting first, and may consider government work later when they need more work-life balance.
Colleges have also been furiously recruiting men to keep the female students coming. I have many examples of parents telling me their sons are heavily recruited but the women not so much.
I work in a traditionally female field most of the time, and the man is getting hired over me for diversity. Fair enough. When I am in more IT focused roles, I have a leg up (so to speak) as a female.
it’s not as simple as HR hating men.
Thanks for that take, it makes sense. I did We Can Code IT (tech bootcamp) and they really pushed hiring minority females and males. I am a minority male but it hasn't really helped me. I would rather someone hire on merit. If that means the woman is more qualified, no problem. If it means the man is more qualified, no problem.
IT does need to find more qualified females; otherwise it's an old boys club. If anything I empathize with females who are solid but stuck dealing with a sausage fest in STEM.
I saw the reverse in media/broadcasting/PR...it was all women and I was a male (even a minority but not good enough).
There's no female incels, so they shouldn't get included. you can include them if you want but lets face it: women can have sex whenever they want, with whomever they want.
The government will have to do this at some point. women won't go back to date and marry uggos. they just won't society has changed, and laws must change to adapt.
beauty is the only thing that matters in a relationship. it doesn't matter what other qualities you might have. women have made it clear.
No one is buying the "work in your personality" "just be a good person" "just provide" "just go to church" bs
as I said before, the societal expectations are unknown at this point. What will happen when 80% of men realize women don't want be around them? that they would rather stay single and have sex every once in a while rather than have a relationship with uggos? about 5% of men already realized that.
another obvious law change that will happen, this time pushed by women: they will get rid of men paying for child support, and make the government pay for it.
Why? It might sound weird at first, but let's face, there's not a lot a good looking men, and women would rather get a baby from a good looking guy than an ugly guy. but the good looking guy can't pay child support for over a thousand of kids, so wears condoms.
as soon as he doesn't need to wear condons anymore, because women will get rid of child support law, he will have thousands of kids, and women will happily get pregnant with his seed.
this just isn't happening right now because of laws.
You don't think there are any female incels? There are a fair number of very unattractive, morbidly obese women out there that I think would have a hard time getting sex. IMO, I imagine a very ugly guy would rather pay a hot prostitute than have sex with a women as described above.
Yes...looks as well as height matters an awful lot with attractive women. Attractive women generally want attractive men (who would have thought) - do you blame them? And now you have women dating up: Average-looking women want above-average looking guys, Above-average looking women want the top 10% best looking guys, overweight women want fit, athletic type guys...and so on (this is why I see more often than not average-looking women with really good looking guys & overweight women with fit, athletic type guys).
What would be your threshold on male ugliness that would qualify for government funded plastic surgery? Primarily deformities or just below-average looks compared to the general population? And who would rate a face & determine if it qualifies for surgical intervention?
"Wheat Waffles" has a face rating scale he uses to rate faces as either "Chads," "Normies" or "Sub-5." In this video you can play along on a face rating test that ranks men in one of those three categories. I was 14 out of 15 right onky missing a guy that I thought was a "Chad" but was in essence a "Normie." Still 14 out of 15 isn't bad for a non-expert in this field. Lol.
Getting a little lecture on inceldom today, how fun. I believe that basically anyone can achieve “normie” tier through effort which should give you a shot at a normie tier girl as long as you work on your approach.
I quit playing video games before I met my wife because I realized I was living in a fantasy world. I was 32 at the time (even though I lived on my own and had friends, and a big social network). But one day I realized I had to grow up. The stereotype sucks but it's true to an extent.
Now that said, that may go out the window if a guy met a girl who was into games and was good at them.
I still play Age of Empires 2 (AOE2) to keep the brain going. Wife doesn't care as long as I keep it under control. Both of us work and I do 80+km/week and can still pull out sub 15 5k. It's possible to live the medium-at-everything dream.