Maher with another outdated take -- he's about 20 years too late on everything.
You can't do this conversation & completely ignore the violence the trans community endures & what individual states are doing to strip trans rights (Alabama, anyone?). That's my biggest problem with the segment. If you like this stuff, fine, but it's lazy to say he wanted to be a pirate & grew out of that. That's not the choice people are making. Why is being trans linked to what state you live in -- maybe some states treat the trans community better? Maybe you would move out of a state that has anti-trans laws. Maybe you're more willing to come out as trans in a state where your rights aren't constantly under attack.
It's much more real than he's trying to make it. Boiling his argument down to kids playing with dinosaurs or playing dress-up or whatever is deeply offensive. You can make a point without doing that.
He talked for 9 minutes, & didn't talk about what that community goes through on the day to day. He brought up abortion to raise up cis women -- ok but it's not an either/or. A civil liberties group highlighting how overturning Roe v Wade hurts the trans community is not an anti-cis woman thing. Cis women would have an easier time getting a safe abortion than trans people if Roe v Wade got overturned. Maher basically did an all lives matters thing. Nobody is debating that cis women are going to be negatively impacted by Roe v Wade. He's not making the point he thinks he's making. Identifying that the trans community will be hurt by overturning Roe v Wade doesn't mean that cis women won't be hurt by it too. Maher just can't see the solidarity people show with one another. A lot of cis women get that the trans community will be hurt by this. Maher thinks he needs to stand up for cis women. He doesn't -- he's just out of touch. Not everyone needs to hear their name in order to fully understand a social issue/problem. He's just torn because it's part of his traditional base that he sees as being left out when, in reality, they're happy to march side by side for trans rights.
Has it occurred to you that you're the one that is "late" or has outdated views on this issue? Several European countries have changed their guidance on the treatment of minors presenting with gender dysphoria (England, Finland, Sweden) because of the huge spike in children presenting with gender issues over the past decade, and a complete reversal in the demographics of this population. Children with what used to be called Gender Identity Disorder used to be disproportionately male and rare. Now, the vast majority of kids are females who had no indication of gender issues until adolescence. Many have comorbid mental health disorders and histories of trauma, though some are simply surrounded by peers who also identify as trans. This clustering of cases would be very unusual if being trans was a fixed trait. Trans identification is also associated with autism spectrum disorders.
In fact, I know somebody currently doing a study on trauma in LGBTQ females, and their entire worldview was upended by what they found. Several study participants who identified as trans reported histories of sexual trauma followed by disgust at their own female bodies. Many had autistic traits. I'm not saying that trans people never experience abuse or discrimination, but I am saying that causal arrows often point in the other direction: trauma leads to trans identification. Lots of clinicians have observed this phenomenon in recent years and are distrubed by the recommendations of major medical associations and psychological associatons to affirm gender identity, often at the expense of treating the root causes of dysphoria. It's one thing to argue that grown adults ought to be allowed to take hormones and get surgery, even if their gender dysphoria is linked to abuse and traume, quite another to greenlight double mastectomy and testosterone for abused girls, or even girls who are experiending normal adolescent identity exploration. The same applies to boys, many of whom are on the autism spectrum.
You dismiss Maher for his crack about having once wanted to be a pirate, but that doesn't discredit his point: identity exploration is a normal part of childhood and adolescence. The argument that children know that they're trans is completely out of step with knowledge about child development. Imagine somebody locking you into a childhood identification for the rest of your life. Historically, most children with gender identity issues were found to outgrow the conviction that they were born the wrong sex; many went on to identify as gay or lesbian. Treating this early cross-sex identificaiton as a fixed trait rather than a child's way of making sense of their own gender nonconformity and nascent homosexuality amounts to "transing the gay away." This is medical experimentation on would-be gay kids, kids with mental health problems, trauma survivors, and females who are dealing with normal pubertal discomfort.
This is the medical scandal of our lifetimes.
My last point will be about "trans" as a type of person. While there have been people across history and in different cultures who live in the social role of the opposite sex and/or fashion their bodies to resemble the opposite sex, the current understanding of trans as "born in the wrong body," is a recent mostly-American phenomenon. Not only that, but the things that lead people to cross-sex presentation differ across cultures. Male homosexuality is a very common correlate. The belief that transness is an inborn or fixed trait is mistaken. Trans is a cultural category; in the US context it is also political.
This is where things get really bad. The "born in the wrong body" narrative is accompanied by an even more pernicious narrative--that sex itself is entirely an effect of oppressive power structures. Current trans activism does not simply argue that some people are born trans and ought to be protected from discrimination; it argues that biological sex itself is a social construct and that people who believe in the existence of males and females as distinct types of people have a form of false consciousness. You can see this in the use of the word "cis." Cis does not refer to people who have not undergone a course of cross-sex hormones and surgery; it denotes people who "identify with the social roles associated with their sex assigned at birth." And, identifying with the cis heteropatriarchy means that one has been duped by hegemonic power structures. The only way to be enlightened is to identify out of it. Young people understand this intuitively. This is why a college of mine's daugther (a 7th grader) was told that being "straight" was homophobic.
NERunner03533, you have bought into a political cult--one that has swept up much of the political left in the US--you just don't realize it. This isn't ultimately an issue of civil rights for an oppressed minority, it's about a quasi-religious, misogynist way of thinking that has captured major institutions while harming children and eroding women's rights.
Bill Maher I used to not like too much. But he is the one Liberal who dares to speak the truth. He doesn't care anymore and doesn't need to toe the company line. Liberals as a whole are cowards and never will disagree with the accepted doctrine. He does it and does it in spades and just a joy to view.
+1. Maher used to be unbearably left wing. He’s a lot more moderate and pragmatic now, very thoughtful and funny. Used to dislike him and now find myself agreeing with most of what he says.
No he didn't, he just enjoys voicing his views on social justice from the safety of knowing there is zero chance of anything changing. Once given the opportunity to support a liberal cause, he refuses. He does this all the time.
In 2016, he supported Bernie until it became clear he might win the nomination, then switched to Clinton. When Clinton lost, he claimed she'd f***** it up and needed to give someone else a chance.
He supports legalization of sex work but applauded OnlyFans for removing porn stars from its site - which is legalized sex work and was giving sex workers a safer environment to earn money.
He criticizes the misogyny of Trump but didn't support other women coming forward saying they had been assaulted as part of #MeToo because one of his buddies was accused.
He has no integrity, he just wants to talk about politics because having opinions is his career and he'll say whatever gets the most viewership, not because he believes in them.
The number of people identifying as transgender is on the rise in the United States of America and the United Kingdom, including many children and teens.
Society will look back on the people who lived today the same way we look back on the people who thought blood letting was a serious medical treatment. What these people are doing is child abuse.
Maher with another outdated take -- he's about 20 years too late on everything.
You can't do this conversation & completely ignore the violence the trans community endures & what individual states are doing to strip trans rights (Alabama, anyone?). That's my biggest problem with the segment. If you like this stuff, fine, but it's lazy to say he wanted to be a pirate & grew out of that. That's not the choice people are making. Why is being trans linked to what state you live in -- maybe some states treat the trans community better? Maybe you would move out of a state that has anti-trans laws. Maybe you're more willing to come out as trans in a state where your rights aren't constantly under attack.
It's much more real than he's trying to make it. Boiling his argument down to kids playing with dinosaurs or playing dress-up or whatever is deeply offensive. You can make a point without doing that.
He talked for 9 minutes, & didn't talk about what that community goes through on the day to day. He brought up abortion to raise up cis women -- ok but it's not an either/or. A civil liberties group highlighting how overturning Roe v Wade hurts the trans community is not an anti-cis woman thing. Cis women would have an easier time getting a safe abortion than trans people if Roe v Wade got overturned. Maher basically did an all lives matters thing. Nobody is debating that cis women are going to be negatively impacted by Roe v Wade. He's not making the point he thinks he's making. Identifying that the trans community will be hurt by overturning Roe v Wade doesn't mean that cis women won't be hurt by it too. Maher just can't see the solidarity people show with one another. A lot of cis women get that the trans community will be hurt by this. Maher thinks he needs to stand up for cis women. He doesn't -- he's just out of touch. Not everyone needs to hear their name in order to fully understand a social issue/problem. He's just torn because it's part of his traditional base that he sees as being left out when, in reality, they're happy to march side by side for trans rights.
The "violence" the trans community go throughs consists almost ENTIRELY of gay men dressed as women taking a drunk man home and then surprising him with their hog AFTER they've been fooling around...
Maher hasn't budged on his beliefs in the last 20 years. He believed the same thing 20 years ago as he does today. The difference is he was far left 20 years ago and today he sounds like a moderate Republican because the Democratic party has gone off the rails to the left since Barry took office.
Not all women are happy being marginalized and taking a seat at the back of the bus behind the trans-men. Particularly, in the toxic environment liberals have created where any complaint is treated like hate speech.
When I was in HS in the 80s, there was only one kid in the entire school who was out of the closet. There were many more who were obviously gay or lesbian but were closeted. Being nonbinary was not even an option back then. Today, the school, which is a private school, has LGBTQ student groups and a chapter of the gay-striaght alliance.
Maher's piece plays into right wing religious extremists views that LGBTQ people are deviants who choose their "lifestyle" much in the same way someone would choose to cheat on their spouse or to watch porn. The idea that children can be "groomed" into becoming LGBTQ is entirely based on the notion that being LGBTQ is a choice that people make and not who they really are.
So you accept that in the 80's, "There were many more who were obviously gay or lesbian but were closeted", meaning of course, pretending to be straight in order to fit social norms, but then dismiss the idea that some of today's HS kids are pretending to be LGBTQ to fit social norms? Are LGBTQ the only people allowed to pretend to be something they are not?
There was a real social incentive to be straight in the 80's, and there's a real social incentive to be LGBTQ today. Stands to reason that some will pretend to be what they're not when there is something to be gained.
Maher with another outdated take -- he's about 20 years too late on everything.
You can't do this conversation & completely ignore the violence the trans community endures & what individual states are doing to strip trans rights (Alabama, anyone?). That's my biggest problem with the segment. If you like this stuff, fine, but it's lazy to say he wanted to be a pirate & grew out of that. That's not the choice people are making. Why is being trans linked to what state you live in -- maybe some states treat the trans community better? Maybe you would move out of a state that has anti-trans laws. Maybe you're more willing to come out as trans in a state where your rights aren't constantly under attack.
It's much more real than he's trying to make it. Boiling his argument down to kids playing with dinosaurs or playing dress-up or whatever is deeply offensive. You can make a point without doing that.
He talked for 9 minutes, & didn't talk about what that community goes through on the day to day. He brought up abortion to raise up cis women -- ok but it's not an either/or. A civil liberties group highlighting how overturning Roe v Wade hurts the trans community is not an anti-cis woman thing. Cis women would have an easier time getting a safe abortion than trans people if Roe v Wade got overturned. Maher basically did an all lives matters thing. Nobody is debating that cis women are going to be negatively impacted by Roe v Wade. He's not making the point he thinks he's making. Identifying that the trans community will be hurt by overturning Roe v Wade doesn't mean that cis women won't be hurt by it too. Maher just can't see the solidarity people show with one another. A lot of cis women get that the trans community will be hurt by this. Maher thinks he needs to stand up for cis women. He doesn't -- he's just out of touch. Not everyone needs to hear their name in order to fully understand a social issue/problem. He's just torn because it's part of his traditional base that he sees as being left out when, in reality, they're happy to march side by side for trans rights.
The "violence" the trans community go throughs consists almost ENTIRELY of gay men dressed as women taking a drunk man home and then surprising him with their hog AFTER they've been fooling around...
Maher hasn't budged on his beliefs in the last 20 years. He believed the same thing 20 years ago as he does today. The difference is he was far left 20 years ago and today he sounds like a moderate Republican because the Democratic party has gone off the rails to the left since Barry took office.
Not all women are happy being marginalized and taking a seat at the back of the bus behind the trans-men. Particularly, in the toxic environment liberals have created where any complaint is treated like hate speech.
It's also tough to nail down what is meant by "violence" against trans people since the definition of violence has been shifted to include verbal abuse, harassment, etc. Nobody should be abused, of course, but to equate verbal assault with physical assault under the word "violence" undermines actual violence leveled against people. Find me one person who would chose to get punched in the face instead of get yelled at from across the road.
It's not the question I asked. What I want to know is if all this applies to you?
If someone "indoctrinated" you about gay or trans people at school, would you have started seeking sex with men or talking to your doctor about getting your penis removed?
It would have taken a lot of persuasion don't you think?
When you've lost Bill Maher it means your views are very extreme and the OVERWHELMING majority of Americans do not agree with you.
Uh-oh means this a political loser for Democrats.
Oh you’re one of those simpletons that think everyone within a political party should agree on everything.
If an overwhelming majority of Americans agree with Maher then his comments would not be an “uh oh”. It would just be stating something that moth people agree with. Oh noooooo.
I normally think he is very hit and miss with his sometimes nonsensical beliefs but hard to argue with any of this. Seeing Marjorie Taylor Lunatic agreeing is very uncomfortable but even someone as deranged as her can't be wrong about everything.
When you've lost Bill Maher it means your views are very extreme and the OVERWHELMING majority of Americans do not agree with you.
Uh-oh means this a political loser for Democrats.
Oh you’re one of those simpletons that think everyone within a political party should agree on everything.
If an overwhelming majority of Americans agree with Maher then his comments would not be an “uh oh”. It would just be stating something that moth people agree with. Oh noooooo.
First, the people who behave like a hivemind most in the US are Democrats. There's a reason identical talking points are used by the White House all the way down to every anchor on every show in the media.
Second, some things don't really have much wiggle room. The "pro-life" Democrat doesn't exist in public office. You can't even win a primary as a pro-life Democrat in 2022. If you want to hold office as a Democrat you are pro-choice or you go home.
The Democrats and the media are controlled by the coastal elites. These people live in a bubble and have no idea what real people in the rest of the country think. While, AOC and other imbeciles like yourself think sexually mutilating children is just a demonstration of what good people you are, NORMAL people think you're monsters.
If you had any brains you'd be saying "uh oh" too. Democrats literally haven't been as unpopular as they are right now since the 1860s when they started a Civil War.
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Bill Maher I used to not like too much. But he is the one Liberal who dares to speak the truth. He doesn't care anymore and doesn't need to toe the company line. Liberals as a whole are cowards and never will disagree with the accepted doctrine. He does it and does it in spades and just a joy to view.
I wouldn’t say Bill Maher is a liberal as much as he’s another anti woke, anti-cancel culture comedian? Does he still call himself a comedian? I think railing on anti wokeism is just what all the other un funny stands ups do these days.
Oh you’re one of those simpletons that think everyone within a political party should agree on everything.
If an overwhelming majority of Americans agree with Maher then his comments would not be an “uh oh”. It would just be stating something that moth people agree with. Oh noooooo.
First, the people who behave like a hivemind most in the US are Democrats. There's a reason identical talking points are used by the White House all the way down to every anchor on every show in the media.
Second, some things don't really have much wiggle room. The "pro-life" Democrat doesn't exist in public office. You can't even win a primary as a pro-life Democrat in 2022. If you want to hold office as a Democrat you are pro-choice or you go home.
The Democrats and the media are controlled by the coastal elites. These people live in a bubble and have no idea what real people in the rest of the country think. While, AOC and other imbeciles like yourself think sexually mutilating children is just a demonstration of what good people you are, NORMAL people think you're monsters.
If you had any brains you'd be saying "uh oh" too. Democrats literally haven't been as unpopular as they are right now since the 1860s when they started a Civil War.
Again, you’re taking the simpleton’s take that all political parties should be in lock step on all issues, this it should be concerning if a leftist expresses ideas that most Americans agree with? Liz Cheney thinks you’re belief that’s the election was stolen is lunacy. That’s not an “uh oh” either.
First, the people who behave like a hivemind most in the US are Democrats. There's a reason identical talking points are used by the White House all the way down to every anchor on every show in the media.
So did Maher’s talking points come from the White House or didn’t they?