Are you choosing to be dense about this? Cheptegei trained for a world record, then got trounced in a championships race. Why is that? Because you train differently for time trials than you do for championship races. That's why you commonly see those going for fast times still lose at championships. For example, Mo Farah trained for championships, and rarely went after any records. Cheptegei did the opposite. Grant Fisher is another example. He'll be ready for a championship style race by this summer, but clearly it took a different type of fitness for that AR attempt.
If you're attempting the double at a championship, like I said earlier you are training differently for that type of race's demands, ratcheting down the pace, finishing fast. In that effect yes you would train the same because you're just training to "stay within yourself" and to be able to kick after responding to a fartlek/championship style race. It's all practice. You're not training for an all out 5k or 10k, you're training to respond to light pace changes and to be able to kick HARD. You would not train identically if you were only focused on running fast in the 10k or the 5k.
People who go after the 10k and 5k records in the same year are usually doing it because they might as well give it a shot. When you're fit you're fit. Cheptegei himself thought he could go sub 26 and sub 12:30, but it would be hard to pull off with out specific work at those paces. He wasn't planning on going for the 10k world record until AFTER he broke the 5k record. Imagine if he had spent all summer doing 10k specific training??
The world record for the 400 is only like 7 seconds slower than the 800, so the training should be the exact same, right? How about the mile-800 world records? Only about 5 or 6 seconds! Same training for that too!
I completely agree. once in a championship 3200 we came really slowly, right around my 5k pace (probably even a little slower, when you convert from grass and slight hills to the track) 5:00 pace through 1600 and 7:30 for 2,400. needless to say it didn't feel hard at all and I was able to probably run my ~1200 pace for the final 800
How did the runners that won double Olympic Gold in the 5/10k train? Did Cheptegei change his training methods during the 2 months between his 5 and 10k WRs? For Salazar, there were only 10 days between his 5 and 10 ARs. For a 5/10k runner the training is no different. Between the 2 distances there is only a 10 seconds per mile difference and you don’t rehearse fitness.
Are you choosing to be dense about this? Cheptegei trained for a world record, then got trounced in a championships race. Why is that? Because you train differently for time trials than you do for championship races. That's why you commonly see those going for fast times still lose at championships. For example, Mo Farah trained for championships, and rarely went after any records. Cheptegei did the opposite. Grant Fisher is another example. He'll be ready for a championship style race by this summer, but clearly it took a different type of fitness for that AR attempt.
If you're attempting the double at a championship, like I said earlier you are training differently for that type of race's demands, ratcheting down the pace, finishing fast. In that effect yes you would train the same because you're just training to "stay within yourself" and to be able to kick after responding to a fartlek/championship style race. It's all practice. You're not training for an all out 5k or 10k, you're training to respond to light pace changes and to be able to kick HARD. You would not train identically if you were only focused on running fast in the 10k or the 5k.
People who go after the 10k and 5k records in the same year are usually doing it because they might as well give it a shot. When you're fit you're fit. Cheptegei himself thought he could go sub 26 and sub 12:30, but it would be hard to pull off with out specific work at those paces. He wasn't planning on going for the 10k world record until AFTER he broke the 5k record. Imagine if he had spent all summer doing 10k specific training??
The world record for the 400 is only like 7 seconds slower than the 800, so the training should be the exact same, right? How about the mile-800 world records? Only about 5 or 6 seconds! Same training for that too!
I’m not going to call you dense, but the only way to prepare is to be capable of running as fast as possible in a theoretical TT. Both types of races involve speed work and there’s no specific training for a kick.
If a 4:00 miler does some kind of kick specific training, how is he going to do against a 3:55 that didn’t after they go through 1320 in 3:00? What happens if a 5000m runner trains for a kick but runs in a race where someone hammers the race near WR pace?
Mo Farrah always won with a kick of off a relatively slow pace but if someone had pushed a 26:30 pace he would have been prepared to hang on and still win.
Are you choosing to be dense about this? Cheptegei trained for a world record, then got trounced in a championships race. Why is that? Because you train differently for time trials than you do for championship races. That's why you commonly see those going for fast times still lose at championships. For example, Mo Farah trained for championships, and rarely went after any records. Cheptegei did the opposite. Grant Fisher is another example. He'll be ready for a championship style race by this summer, but clearly it took a different type of fitness for that AR attempt.
If you're attempting the double at a championship, like I said earlier you are training differently for that type of race's demands, ratcheting down the pace, finishing fast. In that effect yes you would train the same because you're just training to "stay within yourself" and to be able to kick after responding to a fartlek/championship style race. It's all practice. You're not training for an all out 5k or 10k, you're training to respond to light pace changes and to be able to kick HARD. You would not train identically if you were only focused on running fast in the 10k or the 5k.
People who go after the 10k and 5k records in the same year are usually doing it because they might as well give it a shot. When you're fit you're fit. Cheptegei himself thought he could go sub 26 and sub 12:30, but it would be hard to pull off with out specific work at those paces. He wasn't planning on going for the 10k world record until AFTER he broke the 5k record. Imagine if he had spent all summer doing 10k specific training??
The world record for the 400 is only like 7 seconds slower than the 800, so the training should be the exact same, right? How about the mile-800 world records? Only about 5 or 6 seconds! Same training for that too!
I’m not going to call you dense, but the only way to prepare is to be capable of running as fast as possible in a theoretical TT. Both types of races involve speed work and there’s no specific training for a kick.
If a 4:00 miler does some kind of kick specific training, how is he going to do against a 3:55 that didn’t after they go through 1320 in 3:00? What happens if a 5000m runner trains for a kick but runs in a race where someone hammers the race near WR pace?
Mo Farrah always won with a kick of off a relatively slow pace but if someone had pushed a 26:30 pace he would have been prepared to hang on and still win.
Lol ok I give up. You have to be intentionally refusing to get it at this point. I'm just telling you what the pros do, go take it up with them.