2:27 wins Brooklyn marathon $5k in prize money, $10k if NYC resident

Yeah, it slid under the radar. tough course though if it is still in that park? Five loops with a big hill in the middle and walkers everywhere on the course not even in the race.

course is not exclusively in the part. Only a small part including the finish. Has to be a pretty flat course. up and back on Ocean Pkwy would be flat as a pancake.

Didn't they reverse the course years ago? Used to start in the park & end near Coney Island?? Now ends in Prospect Park. Some hills for sure.

Oh, it must have changed. I ran it several years ago in November. The park I’m guessing was the only place they could hold it back then.

Ot was awful because the course was not closed off to local residents using the park for a Sunday morning walk.

Good for Aaron. Dude deserves it works three jobs. Hustler.

It would have been like a hard training run for many elite runners.

A Non-Binary/GNC runner also taking an equal size of the winnings

I saw that... they had to run under the elite qualifying times (2:45) to win prize money which it doesn't look any of them did

Looks like one did in both the marathon and half

Jake Caswell-2:35:16

Winter Parts-1:12:46

Is this the first year this race had prize money?

I now see they are saying they had $100,000 in prize money. That is a big amount and yet the winning times were really slow.

Breaking it down:

First Place: $5,000 + $5,000 bonus for current NYC residents.
Second Place $3,000
Third Place $1,000
Fourth Place $500
Fifth Place $250
Sixth Place $100
Seventh Place $100
Eighth Place $100
Ninth Place $100
Tenth Place $100

This is for the full and the half so that is

That is $15,250 for each race x 2 = $30,500 per sex. Traditionally that would be $61,000 in prize money. However it says "Awards will be given to the top three overall male, female and non-binary finishers"

So I should have said gender instead of sex.

So if we add non-binary for both races that is another $30,500.

By my math that brings it to $91,500 in prize money.

You also have to run under cut-off times to get the money.
1:10/2:30 for men
1:20/2:50 for women
1:15/2:45 non-binary

On the inclusion front should the non-binary cutoff be the same as the women's cut-off?

I don't think it would have made a difference on the money given out but it does look like one person won $10,000 in the half and one $10,000 in the full in the gender non conforming category.

In terms of results, I see they list men and women's categories together but the non-binary results are listed separately as GNCMarathon / GNC half.

There also is a DAA results division. Does anyone know what that is?

Personally I think it's easier to do prize money based on sex but it's their race and they're free to do it how they want.

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Wow, thats the slowest time, I've seen win that much prize money (not that its a lot really, could be less than a week of work for a lot of people) in a long time. Usually that time might win 500-2k at a local marathon somewhere. Congrats to the winner though, I'm sure this is the culmination of months of marathon specific periodization and years of distance running and hopefully a trials qualifier will be in the future.

The "nonbinary" prize purse is really whacky and probably only included whacky folks and opportunists looking for cash - but I was just thinking, this might be the best way to prevent a Caster Semenya like situation in the marathon. I'm not sure if I hope it catches on or not - I wouldn't want to watch say NYC marathon or another major race cutting away to the nonbinary field (as well as wheelchairs, hobby joggers, and all the other cuts they make) when its obvious that a man who is nowhere near elite is crushing the field.

We're not entitled to people behaving morally and rationally, I just wish there were more checks on those who won't though. Its like my little cousin, "these monopoly ones are one billion dollars now and I buy the whole board, I win". Too many people expect reality to bend around to their whim.

The non binary prize money to me just reinforces to me that awards in sport should not be based on a category that has nothing to do with athletic performance. It should be based on sex or competitive advantage.

We don't have a red head division so why have a non-binary division? Whether someone is non-binary has nothing to do with how they should perform in sport. A biological male who is non-binary will have an advantage over a biological female who is non-binary if drugs aren't involved. I don't see the need for a non-binary division. What am I missing? How someone identifies doesn't have anything to do with their athletic performances. Aren't non-binary females at a disadvantage to non-binary males within the non-binary division? (ignore intersex athletes)

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In general, I'm starting to wonder why we have any differences in society based on gender from a government standpoint. Why is your gender on your drivers license? If anything it should be your sex but I don't see the need for it. Treat everyone with respect. When you go to the doctor and for medical stuff and elite sport we can worry about people's sex. But gender is different.- why should we care what someone's gender is when they run a race?

This is the first year the NYC Runs Brooklyn Marathon (and half) have been run on city streets. It was previously in the fall and exclusively in Prospect Park.

Some are also confusing this with the NYRR Brooklyn Half which is on Memorial day and is a net downhill course from Prospect Park to Coney Island

Was the winner from the 3rd gender division listed on their results

NBGNC?

Jake Caswell, who won the Non-Binary / Gender Non-Conforming division, has been NBGNC since before it was cool. But when such a classification was not available Jake ran in the men's division. Your dislike of this should be aimed at people taking advantage of the classification system, which so far in NYC racing, is no one.

I have no problem with people who running in non-binary divisions at all. But I do think it's odd to give prize money since that division is almost always going to be won by a biological man, and prize money is zero sum. So you're taking away from men's/women's purses to create this division for a 1:12 guy to win?

You're also taking money from the men's and women's purses to avoid what could be an ugly controversy. If I'm the director that might be worth doing. And the winner does need to turn in a respectable time.

What controversy are you referring to?

Non binary people aren't necessarily transgender right?

I think some people are nonbinary transgender but transgender general is someone who wants to be a gender different than there sex right? I think the winner here is just non binary and not transgender.

But what if they were transgender and wanted to run in the women's category and not the NB division? You'd still have the controversy you're trying to avoid.

However, if you have a 3rd division and say transgender people have to run in it aren't you going to create controversy with some who say there is no difference between a transgender woman and a biological woman? I'm not sure the 3rd division solves all the problems. Sort of thought it did but it doesn't.

I suppose nothing avoids all controversy. You're right, if a transgender woman wanted to enter the women's race even if there's a category for transgenders there still could be a fuss. But if that runner enters the women's race and there are some really good women there s/he could come up empty whereas there aren't going to be load of people to beat in transgender. Also, one of the complaints about not allowing transgender women to compete as women is that they're denied the right to compete. Pointing out that they can compete in the open race doesn't seem to settle this. But this gives them a place to compete that's not in the open race. But you're right, if one of them's going to get worked up about being a real woman and not getting to compete as one you'd probably have some controversy.