Population density? (England's is much higher than Scotlands) Other restrictions? (Scotland had stricter restrictions during the first time England removed their mask mandate and still had higher covid rates).
Do you know anything about the UK? These two countries are very similar, so there aren't many factors to consider other than if facemasks actually work or not.
Pro-maskers really hate the facts huh.
Do you know anything about anything? Obesity is higher in Scotland for one. Smoking rates are higher in Scotland.
Only a simpleton makes logical mistakes like you make. Maybe you are trying out a term paper for high school but go back to the drawing board , kid. You WILL get an F.
Why are we still crying about people masking or not masking when war is going on. Putin ended COVID when he invaded Ukraine. Wake up, there's bigger things on the world stage that are actually killing people.
Do you know anything about anything? Obesity is higher in Scotland for one. Smoking rates are higher in Scotland.
Only a simpleton makes logical mistakes like you make. Maybe you are trying out a term paper for high school but go back to the drawing board , kid. You WILL get an F.
they use the same mask/cloth every day, they wipe their faces or handle their masks then touch the door knobs or tables or whatever. C is gonna do what a virus do, spread. It's idiocracy. Any rationale human who stops and thinks will realize it. It is an interesting experiment to see how easy it is to herd people into an absurd way of thinking, what's next?
What’s next? Hmmm. I’m sure they’ll say another variant is more deadly and spreading rapidly and the next booster is needed. Again. This was all planned back in the 90s. Thank your boy Gill Bates and that rat 🐀 Fauci .
This is exactly why we have had almost a million dead and tens of millions sick. This is a complete idiot.
Why are we still crying about people masking or not masking when war is going on. Putin ended COVID when he invaded Ukraine. Wake up, there's bigger things on the world stage that are actually killing people.
What? 6 million people died in Ukraine? When did that happen? 6 million have died from Covid19.
Just ask yourself if the following reasoning is valid:
X has a mask mandate. Y doesn't. X has higher COVID than Y. Therefore, masks don't do anything.
Is it possible that the mask mandate in X was retained, because X had higher COVID rates? What were the COVID rates before mask mandates ended? How have they changed? How has mask use changed, if at all? Were the mask mandates enforced? Are there weather conditions that might account for the differences?
The reality is that numerous mask studies have shown masks to be very effective if used properly, and mask mandates to vary in effectiveness with compliance and proper use. I used a mask throughout COVID and avoided it either completely or was asymptomatic after my family got omicron and gave it to me at home where we weren't wearing masks.
Let me preface, England and Scotland are both countries in the UK. They share the same border, to outsiders they are very similar. For what it's worth England has a much higher population density than Scotland.
The estimated percentage of the community population that had COVID-19 in the latest week was: 3.80% in England (1 in 25 people)
5.70% in Scotland (1 in 18 people)
Isn't this rather strange, as the facemask mandate in Scotland should mean their covid rates would need to at least be lower than England?
The exact same results can be observed last summer when England temporarily lifted their facemask mandate, but Scotland kept theirs. This mirrors the study of schools worldwide comparing those which had a mask mandate against those that didn't (spoiler: there was little difference, but interestingly those schools with the mandates usually had higher covid rates).
In conclusion this invaluable data proves that there is no merit or credibility to the argument that facemasks reduce the spread of covid.
Just ask yourself if the following reasoning is valid:
X has a mask mandate. Y doesn't. X has higher COVID than Y. Therefore, masks don't do anything.
Is it possible that the mask mandate in X was retained, because X had higher COVID rates? What were the COVID rates before mask mandates ended? How have they changed? How has mask use changed, if at all? Were the mask mandates enforced? Are there weather conditions that might account for the differences?
The reality is that numerous mask studies have shown masks to be very effective if used properly, and mask mandates to vary in effectiveness with compliance and proper use. I used a mask throughout COVID and avoided it either completely or was asymptomatic after my family got omicron and gave it to me at home where we weren't wearing masks.
+100000
equivocal adjective Open to two or more interpretations and often intended to conceal the truth. synonym: ambiguous. Characterized by a mixture of opposing elements and therefore questionable or uncertain.
^ When numerous studies by reliable entities have results that don't agree, that is equivocal.
Imposing mandates based on equivocal evidence is a failure of policy. It is no secret that almost every step undertaken by government agencies in this scamdemic have been failures.
If the evidence is equivocal, you have the right to personally "be safe rather than sorry", but NOT to impose your choices on others.
Let me preface, England and Scotland are both countries in the UK. They share the same border, to outsiders they are very similar. For what it's worth England has a much higher population density than Scotland.
England lifted their facemask mandate on 27th January, Scotland did not
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The estimated percentage of the community population that had COVID-19 in the latest week was: 3.80% in England (1 in 25 people)
5.70% in Scotland (1 in 18 people)
...
In conclusion this invaluable data proves that there is no merit or credibility to the argument that facemasks reduce the spread of covid.
I guess you use the term "proof" figuratively.
Your "proof" doesn't show us that Scotland would have been better/worse/the same without masks, or that England would have been better/worse/the same than with masks.
You didn't look at masks, but at mandates.
You reversed cause and effect. Mask mandates follow the numbers -- when they are high, precautions like mask mandates are put in place, and when they are low, the mandates are removed.
Masks should be seen in context. The primary recommendation has always been "social distancing" and "masking" when you cannot. Masks have always been "icing", but the "cake" is "social distancing".
When you evaluate the statement "masks work", you should define "masks" and "works".
We knew from Day 1 that the kind of masks the public wear asked to wear only offered partial "source control" protection, not for the wearer, but for those not "social distancing" around an infected mask wearer.
Other variables you could look at:
- Social Distancing
- Mask wearing compliance: Did the Scottish always wear masks? Did the English stop wearing masks (e.g. because they didn't trust Boris the Clown)?
- BA.2 variant: case counts are rising in both England and Scotland due to the even more contagious BA.2 variant.
- Testing: English testing is down due to the removal of restrictions; how does this impact the estimates?
I was in Vegas recently and about 99% of the people i seen were not wearing masks. I checked out that Metallica concert at Allegiant Stadium and about 10 people were wearing masks out of over 10000. Anyways i did not get Covid despite all of that.
I wouldn’t say NO difference but the difference they make is VERY small. Like throwing a pebble in the ocean and expecting it to become land. Masks are for the weak to have another safe zone feeling.
This is a good point. I'm in England and if you go into a shop most people are wearing masks, irrespective of the mandate. Also in a few weeks the rates in England will be higher than in Scotland. It's increasing massively here. So when the rate in England is higher than in Scotland and there is a mask mandate in Scotland is that proof the mandate works? Because going by your logic is should be, yet it isn't.
The reason the cases here were lower is we had massive restrictions which lowered the cases which then were lifted and now the cases are skyrocketing.
This is a good point. I'm in England and if you go into a shop most people are wearing masks, irrespective of the mandate. Also in a few weeks the rates in England will be higher than in Scotland. It's increasing massively here. So when the rate in England is higher than in Scotland and there is a mask mandate in Scotland is that proof the mandate works? Because going by your logic is should be, yet it isn't.
The reason the cases here were lower is we had massive restrictions which lowered the cases which then were lifted and now the cases are skyrocketing.
Agreed -- there are more factors to consider than mask and mandates and compliance.
I think Boris's lifting of the mandates and restrictions had more to do with Party Gate than Covid science.
Not sure what you mean exactly by "my logic". My logic says that we always knew masks worn by the public offer partial protection -- this can mean they work, or they don't work, depending on your point of view -- and that there are other factors besides masks and mandates.
What works is "social distancing".
Here's a scenario -- suppose the numbers rise in England, and mask mandates are re-introduced. Would that become further "proof" that masks don't work?