carmine9 wrote:
Propaganda.
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Lol you guys write such nonsense, I just sit and laugh
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When Russia starts running out of weapons and funds, Ukraine will have received all of the advanced weapons and funds from the West, and Russians will be driven out of Ukraine. This is the assessment of military experts, and reporters in the Washington Post, not random gibberish from internet trolls.50 -
Sanctions not working, ok have more wrote:
When Russia starts running out of weapons and funds, Ukraine will have received all of the advanced weapons and funds from the West, and Russians will be driven out of Ukraine. This is the assessment of military experts, and reporters in the Washington Post, not random gibberish from internet trolls.
When...
War is over by this fall, when Russia will have had taken the entire shore and people in the West have stopped supporting Ukraine because of skyrocketing prices for everything.
Never ever will majority of Germans give up their comfort for Ukraine. Biden will also not gonna be reelected if Americans will have to pay $10 for a cheeseburger.
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carmine9 wrote:
Nuland: [Breaks in] I think Yats is the guy who's got the economic experience, the governing experience. He's the... what he needs is Klitsch and Tyahnybok on the outside. He needs to be talking to them four times a week, you know. I just think Klitsch going in... he's going to be at that level working for Yatseniuk, it's just not going to work.
Prime Minister[edit]
Main articles: First Yatsenyuk government and Second Yatsenyuk government
Yatsenyuk was designated as the new Prime Minister of the Yatsenyuk Government following the 2014 Ukrainian revolution that removed former President Viktor Yanukovych from power.[6] The new government was sworn in on 27 February 2014.[79Yatsenyuk became prime minister after a national unity coalition formed by bringing together Tymoshenko and Klitschco's parties. In July of 2014, Yatsenyuk resigned his position as prime minister after his coalition government collapsed. Parliament did not vote to accept his resignation and held elections in September of 2014. In September of 2014, Yatsenyuk's new party won 82 seats in parliament. The new parliament elected Yatsenyuk to prime minister in 2014 by 341 votes. Yatsenyuk only lasted as Prime Minister until 2016 when his government failed because of foot dragging on anti-corruption measures.
Following the Maidan Revolution, Ukraine had a vibrant democratic process. Yatsenyuk may have been the preferred leader for Victoria Nuland, but the people of Ukraine picked him to be prime minister both in the unity government in February of 2014 and after an election in 2014. And when Yatsenyuk failed to deliver on corruption reforms, he was ousted in 2016.
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Lollys Master wrote:
Sanctions not working, ok have more wrote:
When Russia starts running out of weapons and funds, Ukraine will have received all of the advanced weapons and funds from the West, and Russians will be driven out of Ukraine. This is the assessment of military experts, and reporters in the Washington Post, not random gibberish from internet trolls.
When...
War is over by this fall, when Russia will have had taken the entire shore and people in the West have stopped supporting Ukraine because of skyrocketing prices for everything.
Never ever will majority of Germans give up their comfort for Ukraine. Biden will also not gonna be reelected if Americans will have to pay $10 for a cheeseburger.
Yeah, but 30k Russian terrorists will be dead and the YouTube videos of Russian tanks blowing up will last forever. Russia will still be the laughing stock of the civilized world (except for amongst Lolly's little gang of friends in Switzerland, who think Putin is a hero and that there aren't any Nazis in Russia).
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carmine9 wrote:
Here's some convincing writing quoted verbatim from carmine's source:
Focusing on the Realism theory of international relationship, it is apparent that U.S involved itself in overthrowing the U.S government out of their self-interest and expanding their own political ambitions.My god carmine. When your sources put it so eloquently, how could I not feel convinced that the US overthrew the Ukrainian government? I mean, just because an idiot wrote something on the internet, doesn't make it true (you've provided abundant proof).
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carmine9 wrote:
WTF is this? Please find something that approaches verifiable in this conspiracy-theorist verbal vomit of a website. Photoshopped pictures of Obama in front of dead bodies isn't going to cut it. If this is the level of source you're using as "proof" of anything about Ukraine, then you've lost. If you're trying to demonstrate that some people have severe mental health issues and should be kept away from the internet, then good job.
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PutinWarCriminal wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
Here's some convincing writing quoted verbatim from carmine's source:
Focusing on the Realism theory of international relationship, it is apparent that U.S involved itself in overthrowing the U.S government out of their self-interest and expanding their own political ambitions.My god carmine. When your sources put it so eloquently, how could I not feel convinced that the US overthrew the Ukrainian government? I mean, just because an idiot wrote something on the internet, doesn't make it true (you've provided abundant proof).
I of course posteed several documents and sources.
You pick out one sentence out if one of those postings that you don't like and ergo everything I have posted is false?
Pathetic.
1. US up to its neck on the overthrow of the elected govt of Ukraine in 2014 and in appointing the new Prime Minister;
2. Urkaine bombed the Donbas for 8 years killing over 10,000 people.
3. Russia made some demands (stop killing the people of Donbas and allow them to be an independent state, recognize Crimea as part of Russia as the people of Crimea chose), and no NATO for Ukraine. Ukraine would not do so so Russia folllowed thru on its threat to invade.
4. Russia has been wreaking havoc on Ukraine while the western media pretends Russia is incompetent and Ukraine has been winning.
Obvious and indisputable facts denied only by the people willing to believe the US propaganda.
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The point I am making is that since the US killed lots of innocent civilians over the years and invaded countries in an unprovoked manner - and no, it doesnt matter that it happened years ago and that it is not happening right this instant - you can't make arbitrary morality claims. You cant excuse our actions and condemn the actions of Russia because they are the same.
And If you consider that ukraine azov killed 10k+ people from 2014 to 2022, then Russias actions are similar to the US' foreign policy of protecting the underdog (iraq beating up on kuwait or iraq killing its own citizens).
Your agressive rhetoric will lead to more death, more destruction and misery. Possibly nuclear war.
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carmine9 wrote:
PutinWarCriminal wrote:
Here's some convincing writing quoted verbatim from carmine's source:
My god carmine. When your sources put it so eloquently, how could I not feel convinced that the US overthrew the Ukrainian government? I mean, just because an idiot wrote something on the internet, doesn't make it true (you've provided abundant proof).
I of course posteed several documents and sources.
You pick out one sentence out if one of those postings that you don't like and ergo everything I have posted is false?
Pathetic.
Well, that sentence is representative of the poor sources you post (probably without reading beyond the headline). If you don't want to be called out for posting garbage, don't post garbage. Now, let's examine your claims one at a time:
1. US up to its neck on the overthrow of the elected govt of Ukraine in 2014 and in appointing the new Prime Minister;Well, as already pointed out. Your evidence amounts to some bloggers that couldn't pass eighth grade English spewing unverified nonsense.
2. Urkaine bombed the Donbas for 8 years killing over 10,000 people.Let's be clear here. Both pro-ukrainian government forces and pro-separatists forces have been killing people in Donbas for the last 8 years. So, is that just 10,000 people (including pro-separatist forces, who are legitimate targets)? Or is it 10,000 civilians? Can you provide some sources for your numbers that are better than some high-school drop-outs blog?
Obvious and indisputable facts denied only by the people willing to believe the US propaganda.3. Russia made some demands (stop killing the people of Donbas and allow them to be an independent state, recognize Crimea as part of Russia as the people of Crimea chose), and no NATO for Ukraine. Ukraine would not do so so Russia folllowed thru on its threat to invade.And the civilized world demanded that Russia stop its invasion and withdraw. They then followed through by arming Ukraine, causing lots of Russian soldiers to die. If Russia demands that the US cede Alaska, would you be okay with that? I mean, if Mexico wanted Texas back, I think we could all get on board with that. But, not Alaska.
4. Russia has been wreaking havoc on Ukraine while the western media pretends Russia is incompetent and Ukraine has been winning.20k dead Russian troops. 11 dead generals. Flagship, sunk. More than 1000 tanks destroyed. Failed to encircle Kyiv due to logistical incompetence.
Obvious and indisputable facts denied only by the people willing to believe the US propaganda.Yes, we're waiting for you to post any sort of facts at all.
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carmine9 wrote:
3. Russia made some demands (stop killing the people of Donbas and allow them to be an independent state, recognize Crimea as part of Russia as the people of Crimea chose), and no NATO for Ukraine. Ukraine would not do so so Russia folllowed thru on its threat to invade.
Looks like Turkey, Finland, and Sweden have worked out issues regarding Finland and Sweden's NATO membership. Russia doesn't want NATO on its border, and now its border with NATO countries are set to double. Could Russia be a bigger failure at any level? 20k dead Russians to get the exact opposite result of what you they set out to achieve. Man, another 20k dead Russians and maybe Kazakhstan will be applying to join NATO.
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Unkle Carmine is a proven liar. wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
Two truths that you label lies.
If they are truths just pop the evidence and I will happily agree with you.
But as you well know,you are lying and you have no proof.....
There's this site called "Google". It provides all sorts of information so you don't have to go to a running message board for Education.
Anyone with a realistic World view realises America has their fingers in every pie.
Here's some of that Truth you were looking for.
Ukraine events for decades leading up to the Maidan 'revolution', that itself, abd nearly every major development since has been planned, influenced and orchestrated by the CIA.
A starter pack should get you going:
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CarmineFailedKindergarten wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
3. Russia made some demands (stop killing the people of Donbas and allow them to be an independent state, recognize Crimea as part of Russia as the people of Crimea chose), and no NATO for Ukraine. Ukraine would not do so so Russia folllowed thru on its threat to invade.
Looks like Turkey, Finland, and Sweden have worked out issues regarding Finland and Sweden's NATO membership. Russia doesn't want NATO on its border, and now its border with NATO countries are set to double. Could Russia be a bigger failure at any level? 20k dead Russians to get the exact opposite result of what you they set out to achieve. Man, another 20k dead Russians and maybe Kazakhstan will be applying to join NATO.
Surprised it took this long.
Turkey was refused Patriot Air defence systems after their authoritarian clampdown following the failed 2016 coup attempt, which the US is seen as expressly or tacitly backing.
While a NATO ally, the US punished Turkey still further by then locking them out of the Joint-Fighter program for Turkey having purchased Russian S-400 systems instead. This was an awkward pivot for NATO and a miscalculation by the US as Russia and Turkey were feuding over Syrian Turkmen and a Russian jet fighter being shot down.
The end result here is the Kurds have been sold out again by the US (and everyone else).
I'd be surprised if the backroom shenanigans to swing this deal actually see Turkey with new US fighters, said to be on their list of demands. Turkey already announced their own joint-fighter program with Pakistan.
NATO admittance of Sweden and Finland is a rubber-stamp exercise. Not especially significant strategically - more a glove-slap to the face. The result will be Russian Iskander missiles and Nukes aimed at Helsinki and Stockholm.
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Ernest wrote:
CarmineFailedKindergarten wrote:
Looks like Turkey, Finland, and Sweden have worked out issues regarding Finland and Sweden's NATO membership. Russia doesn't want NATO on its border, and now its border with NATO countries are set to double. Could Russia be a bigger failure at any level? 20k dead Russians to get the exact opposite result of what you they set out to achieve. Man, another 20k dead Russians and maybe Kazakhstan will be applying to join NATO.
Surprised it took this long.
NATO admittance of Sweden and Finland is a rubber-stamp exercise. Not especially significant strategically - more a glove-slap to the face.
And here you were saying the "NATO admittance of Sweden and Finland" was a DOA exercise back when the applications were announced. Eh, DOA, rubber stamp, six of one, I suppose.
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Colin Bombah Harris wrote:
Ernest wrote:
Surprised it took this long.
NATO admittance of Sweden and Finland is a rubber-stamp exercise. Not especially significant strategically - more a glove-slap to the face.
And here you were saying the "NATO admittance of Sweden and Finland" was a DOA exercise back when the applications were announced. Eh, DOA, rubber stamp, six of one, I suppose.
You should go back an read my posts on this again.
I noted Turkey's objection to Sweden and Finland's admission.
And I also confidently predicted that objection would be overcome.
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Sanctions not working, ok have more wrote:
When Russia starts running out of weapons and funds, Ukraine will have received all of the advanced weapons and funds from the West, and Russians will be driven out of Ukraine. This is the assessment of military experts, and reporters in the Washington Post, not random gibberish from internet trolls.
In the linked article, the cited experts are a "senior Western official speaking on the condition of anonymity", Boris Johnson, and a guy who blogs on Telegram.
There are no shortage of experts and they all call it differently.
A few headlines from today below.
The point is, there is no consensus and not many facts- mostly conjecture, wishful thinking, and propaganda.
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US poised to enact a new law punishing African countries who do not side against Russia.
Despite talking up impending mass famine, it is said that buying grain from Russia could trigger punishments such as sanctions or curtailed/withdrawn foreign aid.
"...what is emerging is not so much a picture of the US targeting Africa because it voted the wrong way at the UN. Instead, it seems Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has sparked a new Cold War psychosis..."
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Ukraine on Fire - Videos - sovren.media
Ukraine on Fire - Videos - sovren.media10 -
CarmineFailedKindergarten wrote:
Looks like Turkey, Finland, and Sweden have worked out issues regarding Finland and Sweden's NATO membership. Russia doesn't want NATO on its border, and now its border with NATO countries are set to double. Could Russia be a bigger failure at any level? 20k dead Russians to get the exact opposite result of what you they set out to achieve. Man, another 20k dead Russians and maybe Kazakhstan will be applying to join NATO.
1. Finland hasn't been slaughtering ethno-linguistic Russians for the past 8 years
2. Finland hasn't had Nazis in its army since WW2
3. Russia hasn't suffered 20k deaths, and won't if their operation takes another 2 years.
4. That you clearly WANT them to shows you're racist trash. Stay unregistered.25
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