Newbury Park is CRACKED

Whatever criticisms are leveled against Brosnan the fact that he's producing more good runners than just the obvious NP 4 shows that he's building a good program. How long he stays there remains to be seen.

Phenomenal! The kind of occurrence that sends a shock to the system: disbelief, suspicion, joy....it's almost too good to be true. But there it is. Glad I got to see it partly because I never coulda predicted it!

I have a genuine and honest question- what all is he responsible for coaching in his program? I have sub-10 guys, but also girls who just want to break 15. I would imagine this program is huge? Do they make cuts? Are there time cutoffs? Is there a separate "jv" coach?

He tries to keep it small to aid in individual devlopment by requiring a high level of commitment/work ethic. They have time cuttoffs for newcomers, but he has stated that he has allowed kids that dint make the time cuttoffs to be on the team because they've shown that theyre willing to put in the same work as the talented kids. His wife and some parents are assistants, but with a program of ~60 people he doesnt really need to divvy up the levels between coaches

Let me guess the coach came running out onto the track after the race to hug his athletes once again putting himself in the spotlight

At worst they run 16:40, no way any of the four boys runs slower that 4:10 even in a crowded race where they are likely lapping other runners. I say 16:15-16:20.

I think having an athlete break four minutes is a big deal, so I don't fault Brosnan for getting excited & hugging Colin Sahlman. I haven't seen evidence that he does it otherwise. I wasn't there last night but since he organized the meet my guess is that his time was taken up with questions from coaches & others.

Their fifth man ran a 9:05!! Who else ran for Newburyport?

Please don’t criticize the coach or this thread will be deleted. Specifically don’t mention any of his lies regarding his fictitious PR’s or false All-American honors.

Newburyport is in Mass, right on the NH border. They have a good team, but nobody under 9 minutes.

The PR contriving is really bizarre, if that is true.

This statement is more of a reflection of you than him.

It looks as if Doshi has turned the corner, and is coming into the same performance level that A. Sahlman was at this point last year. Sub 9 is very doable.

These guys are not in an arcade game.

Not even close. Super Spike conversion is minimal of 8 seconds for a two mile. They are obviously great. But nothing new. And their coach is right, 4:20 is t fast, when you’re wearing super spikes. It’s an old school 4:24-4:25.

Two important pointere:

It's easy to make a HS kid be obsessed with a sport. There options are limited. It's easy to convince them it's the best thing in the world. What often happens in college is kids start to have options and possibilities. They realize running isn't the greatest thing in the world and devoting all the time and energy to one thing is a bit crazy.

Second, intense training sets you apart. Most HS kids aren't training that hard. If your team does, it makes you seem much better than others. Others catch up once they too start training as hard.

Brosnan was right.

A 4:20 isn't fast. Not for the opening 4 laps.

It won't get anyone on his team to national record pace.

Two lads played with fire at 4:18 and paid somewhat for committing to that pace.

Another crack under 4:20 and they're closer to the 8:32-35 range.

There's some truth in this. If the natural talent is there it will come out later with more intensive college coaching as well as increased mileage. Cole Hocker ran 1:51 and 4:07 for the 1600 and 9:13 for 3200 as a high school senior. But if someone who didn't know his background looked at these marks they might project him as another decent collegiate runner. Now we know that he ran very low mileage and once he got to college with higher mileage and greater intensity the talent blossomed into something more than just another decent collegiate runner.

Sure. It’s just intellectually dishonest to cheer the breaking of historical high school records when it can solely be attributed to shoe technology.

Past records need to be converted. Or if you are going to record attempts it can’t be in the spring loaded shoes.