Grant MF Fisher just shocked the world - 4:59 last 2k for 12:53.73 INDOORS!!

I am wondering if Grant should go for the world record. 12:49 seems doable in another year of training or maybe even this year in the right race. Having an American own a world record again in a distance event would be sweet.

What? It's not worth a 12:40. It's worth a 12:53. It's easier to wind it up and run a negative split. Put him on 12:40 pace at the gun and he's going to blow up.

It's easy to wake up and be stunned. But last night, I was thinking to myself, "Why didn't we see this coming?"Now hindsight is always 20-20

Here are 3 treasons why you shouldn't be stunned.

1) Justy Knight - 12:51.93. Did we really not thinking Fisher was at least as good as Justyn Knight? Knight was 7th in the Olympics (5k). Fisher was 5th (10k).

2) Indoors is basically as fast as outdoors. Maybe even better as you know the weather is going to be ideal and there is zero wind. Plus Jerry can set this up . He can't set up a DL.

3) Super shoes have changed EVERYTHING. We'll talk about this on the podcast but Jonathan Gault told me last night like several top top coaches were saying things to him like last night along the lines of, "How do you address it in your articles? Do you have to talk about the shoes in every single one of them?"So the top coaches know it's huge. I just in my head mentally think 3-4 seconds for a 1500/mile so that would be lik 9-12 for a 5000. So 12:53 is 13:00 low which isn't crazy. Rupp ran 13:01.

This is really the first normal year where we'd had super spikes en masse. The came out for a select few in 2019. Then Covid hit in 2020 and we still had Covid / the Olympics in 2021.

I am so glad to see American men and women to continue to be competitive on the world stage.

For years it seemed like we were lucky if we even had someone in the finals.

This generation has producing (and is still producing) some amazing athletes. Can't wait to see what else they can do.

What's your point? That Italy race supports everything about this race.

Cheptegei lost to Ahmed in a race that Jakob won in 12:48 by coming off of the pace (just like Fisher today). Cheptegei tried to run in the 12:30s from the front and blew up the last 1k.

So yes officially Cheptegei lost to Ahmed but it's not like Ahmed beat him. Cheptegei blew up and beat himself.

If you run for gold and super fast time and fade to 7th , you really in my mind weren't "beaten" by the guy who ran for 3rd and got 3rd. Yes you technically lost to him but that's only because you lost out in your battle against physiology.

letsrun.com

2021 Florence DL: Hassan (3:53) Beats Kipyegon in 1500 Thriller; Ingebrigtsen Runs 12:48 to Win Loaded 5K

LetsRun.com

Wow. The women's 1500 and men's 5000 both lived up to the hype and were incredible as an amazing week of distance running continued tonight.

Link:www.letsrun.com/news/2021/06/2021-flor...

Plenty of people have done it - outdoor. Ahmed ran 12:47 in a Bowerman time trial (outdoors). Knight ran 12:51 (outdoors).

How many fast indoor 5000s have been run during that time frame? Zero.

Fisher is in indoor world record shape based on that final 2k. He is also a medal contender indoors and outdoors this year. Would love to see him vs. Jakob in Serbia.

wow... insanity. these guys are legit coming for jakob!

I think you have to mention it anytime you compare pre and post super shoe Era. Would you ever try to make an apples to apples comparison of an athlete from the 50s and not mention that they were running on a dirt track?

And Jacob!!!

I don’t support this theory about the shoes taking off that much time per mile. Are we saying that Fisher is not in superior shape to 2014 Galen Rupp right now? We all know the BU track is insanely fast, and I agree with you rojo that this particular surface is just as fast as outdoor tracks. I could see maybe 1 or 2 seconds per mile from the shoes.

I can't believing that I'm the only one who is having a hard time digesting the logic behind "super shoes".

Grant and all Bowerman guys had those shoes last March at the sound running invite and Grant & Marc Scott improved a lot since then, whereas Kincaid, McGorty & Tunivante stayed about the same.

How can people believe the head of NASA when he says "We went to the moon 50 years but unfortunately we lost that technology and it's too much of a painful process to build it back up again." WHAT? Technology doesn't work like that. Look at computer technology, it improves at a very steady, consistent predictable pace. The improvement that we've seen in computer technology advancement was accurately predicted in the early 80's.

But now I'm asked to believe that some mad genius at Nike had what would have to be considered the greatest miracle breakthrough idea of all time, in his field of work, in 2019 ......not in a computer program, or a rocket ship......but in a freakin shoe! A shoe. Something that's apparently legal to have but somehow in the multiple millennia of shoes and the more recent 50 to 60 years of designing better and better competitive racing spikes, somehow no one else at Nike or Adidas or Brooks or Reebok or Asics...etc had ever managed to stumble across. I just can't see it.

"Bob, I think I'm onto something here, eureka!"

"What's that Bill, what is it man?"

"You know those shoes we've been designing 50 hours a week for the last 20 years?"

"Yes Bill, dear God, it's all I think about every waking moment of my, tell me what you know please."

"Ok Bob, here it is......we're gonna make them more springy."

"You mean like put springs under the toe and heel, because believe it or not, I've actually thought of that, but turns out it's not legal."

"No Bob, not actual springs, just quite a bit more springy-er than their current levels of springy-ness, you see."

"Bill......you are genius. A modern day 2019 genius my friend."

Yeah WTF rojo. That was a SUPREME performance. Grant just obliterated the Tokyo silver medalist, and you're saying that his performance is only worth 13:05 in "normal" spikes? 

I'm sorry I just don't buy that. Sure, maybe add a couple seconds, but no god damn way it's 12s over a 5k. That's ridiculous. Grant is a better 5k now runner than Rupp ever was.

The spate of uber fast times is crazy.

The shoes making a material difference?

No doubt shoes technology and bouncy tracks help performance significantly. We have known that for few or several years. I really don’t think that athletes have improved very much in the past 20-30 years.

Yeah I agree, I wish they would've just thrown the original doper under the bus and contained the rumors. No, blatant lies were brought up and team members tried to stick up for doper zero, and now the whole group is rotten.

I was going to comment on this comparison, too. Fisher, even with super spikes, is stronger than Rupp back when he ran 13:01. You can see that just in how he dominated the race and so many big names. They just couldn't hang. You can also see this in how Fisher competes on the world stage. It felt like Rupp was always either solo TTing or just barely edging out big names, with the exception of his AR 10k, which was run in a similarly dominant fashion.

You can try to do all the galaxy brain calculations/conversions you want, but Fisher crushed some of the best in the world by turning the screw over many laps, and that is truly what shows his fitness.

Now I wonder what Fisher will run in the future... he is only 24.

And Centro’s Olympic win was worth a 3:50 and Viren’s 1972 5000m a 13:26.