Athing Mu just DROPPED OUT of the women's mile and showed her true greatness. I love her even more!!!!

I don’t understand why we shouldn’t expect her to finish. I’m sure most of us here have struggled through lactic death for the last couple hundred meters of a race before—it’s what you do when you’ve gotten in too deep. I don’t think it would have had any negative impact on her training going forward to grit her way through the last 200. Even if she’d been relegated to 6’ mile pace she would have run a 4:35 PB, and I’d have every reason to admire her ambitious effort.

Don’t get me wrong - I’ll still cheer for her 100% and won’t “hold this against her,” but it seems like finishing is always preferable unless you’re injured or seriously ill.

runningfan87 wrote:

Wtf is this post Rojo? Celebrating someone dropping out of a race? I love Mu and think shes gonna be the 800 goat when its all done, but praising her for dropping out is so incredibly weird.

Rojo often tries to get clicks and sometimes he doesn’t even really mean what he says. Or he means it sort of but then he can change his mind.

I didn't even t see her race. I take it she went to the front and dropped out when she realized she couldn't hold the pace.

Is it fair to say she went for the win?

I don't think so. She competed to see how she'd fair against other runners of greater ability.

She fell short.

She tried to max out and found it was hard to keep going. That's all you can really say.

Anyways that's my last response on this clickbait from Rojo. I've produced more compelling threads but they are promptly removed while garbage like this stays up.

John Wesley Harding wrote:

I don’t understand why we shouldn’t expect her to finish. I’m sure most of us here have struggled through lactic death for the last couple hundred meters of a race before—it’s what you do when you’ve gotten in too deep. I don’t think it would have had any negative impact on her training going forward to grit her way through the last 200. Even if she’d been relegated to 6’ mile pace she would have run a 4:35 PB, and I’d have every reason to admire her ambitious effort.

Don’t get me wrong - I’ll still cheer for her 100% and won’t “hold this against her,” but it seems like finishing is always preferable unless you’re injured or seriously ill.

She doesn’t care about a 4:35 PB. She went in there to compete. She showed that she’s close but not quite there yet. Her training is probably mostly 400/800 work as her 48.3r would suggest.

Think of it this way — all the women that beat her today probably wouldn’t have been able to keep up with her pace through 1209m at the same age.

With a block of training, she finishes top 3. With that said, I’d prefer to see her split 47.9r than run a 3:59 1500m.

John Wesley Harding wrote:

I’m sure most of us here have struggled through lactic death for the last couple hundred meters of a race before—it’s what you do when you’ve gotten in too deep.

Lactate does not cause fatigue. I don't know why this myth persists.

spreading propaganda wrote:

John Wesley Harding wrote:

I’m sure most of us here have struggled through lactic death for the last couple hundred meters of a race before—it’s what you do when you’ve gotten in too deep.

Lactate does not cause fatigue. I don't know why this myth persists.

You know exactly what I mean, and you’re effectively arguing semantics.

Look at Cooper Teare, he gutted out an NCAA XC finish and now he can't remember basic tactics. Stay on the rail Cooper! Thank god we won't have to worry about Mu making that mistake, if she finishes any more races.

Greg wrote:

I didn't even t see her race. I take it she went to the front and dropped out when she realized she couldn't hold the pace.

Is it fair to say she went for the win?

Not quite. She hung at the end of the lead pack, ca. 5th place for 1200m, then got slower and dropped before the last lap. Had she ran a bit more defensively she might have got about 8th place and 4:28-29, Maybe,,, Unfortunately we won't know. Rather disappointing. And I admittedly also find it a bit arrogant. Like Ovett who quit races in the last lap when he realized he could not win.

runningfan87 wrote:

Wtf is this post Rojo? Celebrating someone dropping out of a race? I love Mu and think shes gonna be the 800 goat when its all done, but praising her for dropping out is so incredibly weird.

+1. Rojo is troll #1 on this site. He loves playing the role of "contrarian" (troll). Just like his Shelby is innocent posts.

i watched xc wrote:

Look at Cooper Teare, he gutted out an NCAA XC finish and now he can't remember basic tactics. Stay on the rail Cooper! Thank god we won't have to worry about Mu making that mistake, if she finishes any more races.

Maybe he would have been second if he stayed on the rail. If so, then you would say he doesn’t know tactics because he let CH pass him without pushing him out a little.

Lolol please tell me this is a Simone Giles parody post

pb pb wrote:

Think of it this way — all the women that beat her today probably wouldn’t have been able to keep up with her pace through 1209m at the same age.

KoKo ran 4:04 1500m at a few months older (just turned 20 in Feb 2017) and got European indoors silver behind Muir. I am not looking up the others. But yes, they weren't Olympic 800m champions at 19. We knew this before.

With a block of training, she finishes top 3. With that said, I’d prefer to see her split 47.9r than run a 3:59 1500m.

Pure speculation. If anything Mu's DNF has strongly confirmed the "400/800 types cannot run 1500/mile" cliché.

spreading propaganda wrote:

John Wesley Harding wrote:

I’m sure most of us here have struggled through lactic death for the last couple hundred meters of a race before—it’s what you do when you’ve gotten in too deep.

Lactate does not cause fatigue. I don't know why this myth persists.

Glad to know I wasn't the only one who must have been laughing at the commentary. As if yammering on about lactic acid wasn't bad enough, at one point, one of the commentators said something about a woman running lactate threshold pace. In the mile.

I DNS'd at Millrose. I look forward to my hagiography.

Nothing wrong with pulling a Bekele eh Banana Bread?

Yeah - I am not nearly as good as a lot of coaches, etc on the physiology, but I absolutely cringe whenever I hear commentators (even the athletes) attempt to "break it down" for us (lol)

525 guy wrote:

I DNS'd at Millrose. I look forward to my hagiography.

I don’t recall Galen Rupp getting a lot of love here for DNSs or DNFs.

525 guy wrote:

I DNS'd at Millrose. I look forward to my hagiography.

So you learned a new word today, too!