Schools closed in Chicago after teachers reject in-person classes

energeticlotuseater wrote:

If you need to have a special degree to teach this should change. Anyone should be able to teach children and then let the free market decide who “is qualified” I said earlier there needs to be a total revamping of the education system in this country- this could include federal law.

[/quote]

Okay. Sounds like you have a plan. The education and legal systems must be overhauled:

So offhand, sounds like you need to start tackling:

The fourteenth amendment

ESSA

FERPA

IDEA

Civil Rights Act and various titles therein concerning education...

There's probably a dozen more at the federal level. Then you can move to state level?

It's going to take some huge political moves, substantial lobbying, actionable solutions to address the issues and students these laws currently address and protect, etc.

But identifying the problem is the first step, so you've got that going for you.

CrispyChicken wrote:

The schools are essentially day-time detention facilities to the detriment to those who actually want to learn and better themselves. Perhaps what is needed are more detention facilities so that the schools can be safely available for actual students.

And there it is.

interesting... wrote:

energeticlotuseater wrote:

If you need to have a special degree to teach this should change. Anyone should be able to teach children and then let the free market decide who “is qualified” I said earlier there needs to be a total revamping of the education system in this country- this could include federal law.

Okay. Sounds like you have a plan. The education and legal systems must be overhauled:

So offhand, sounds like you need to start tackling:

The fourteenth amendment

ESSA

FERPA

IDEA

Civil Rights Act and various titles therein concerning education...

There's probably a dozen more at the federal level. Then you can move to state level?

It's going to take some huge political moves, substantial lobbying, actionable solutions to address the issues and students these laws currently address and protect, etc.

But identifying the problem is the first step, so you've got that going for you.[/quote]

You keep going on about children’s “right to education” but then ignore the fact Chicago Teachers Unions are currently actively denying that very right to children. The system I described would better ensure that children can always have a in person option when it comes to their education. Currently, under the current system, the teachers unions have taken that in person option away from many children in Chicago.

Yes, the teachers unions and the various educational bureaucracies are entrenched. This is the system that allows teachers in Chicago to simply decide to not come to work and still get paid.

Opening up the education system to a completely free market system will alleviate many of the current issues.

You are such a clown. Not only are you trying to hide laziness behind some fake facade of laws you keep bringing up, but you also think wasting money on counseling and psychologists will help. You are the problem for these kids. Quit babying then and teach them to add.

You bring up the 14th amendment in another post which has zero relevance here.

."... Anyone should be able to teach children and then let the free market decide who “is qualified”

Please please come sub or attempt to teach in any urban or large district/school in the US for more than 3 hours.. do you need me to send over the application and paperwork so you can fill out the sub paperwork and start subbing in our nations public schools?? I literally beg you. Then come talk to me in a week about how we need to change our educational system...

There were prepared to work remotely but Lori Lightfoot locked all of the teachers out of their google classroom accounts and teaching materials. CPS spent a ton of money on laptops and electronics into the hands of kids so they could do remote teaching, but they won't use it right now when cases are so high and hospitals are filled to protect kids - because they want to break the teachers union. This is not about safety, this is about liberals trying to destroy unions and working families like they have been since NAFTA.

Solidarity with Chicago Teachers for sticking up for themselves and the kids they teach.

gina2002 wrote:

."... Anyone should be able to teach children and then let the free market decide who “is qualified”

Please please come sub or attempt to teach in any urban or large district/school in the US for more than 3 hours.. do you need me to send over the application and paperwork so you can fill out the sub paperwork and start subbing in our nations public schools?? I literally beg you. Then come talk to me in a week about how we need to change our educational system...

Sorry, I already have a job where I actually have to go into an office ten hours a day to work. I don’t have time to do your job as well- a job that your kin in Chicago aren’t actually currently willing to do.

solidarityforever343 wrote:

There were prepared to work remotely but Lori Lightfoot locked all of the teachers out of their google classroom accounts and teaching materials. CPS spent a ton of money on laptops and electronics into the hands of kids so they could do remote teaching, but they won't use it right now when cases are so high and hospitals are filled to protect kids - because they want to break the teachers union. This is not about safety, this is about liberals trying to destroy unions and working families like they have been since NAFTA.

Solidarity with Chicago Teachers for sticking up for themselves and the kids they teach.

I doubt the teachers unions will get much sympathy from the other side of the aisle (Republicans) either. Both sides are starting to see what the teachers union members for what they are- lazy, entitled, self important narcissists.

solidarityforever343 wrote:

There were prepared to work remotely but Lori Lightfoot locked all of the teachers out of their google classroom accounts and teaching materials. CPS spent a ton of money on laptops and electronics into the hands of kids so they could do remote teaching, but they won't use it right now when cases are so high and hospitals are filled to protect kids - because they want to break the teachers union. This is not about safety, this is about liberals trying to destroy unions and working families like they have been since NAFTA.

Solidarity with Chicago Teachers for sticking up for themselves and the kids they teach.

This wave of the pandemic is being defined by unions - teachers, nurses, public service - using Omicron to carve out better work arrangements. Teachers are staying home for their own health, not students; nurses are quitting because the job is too hard when there’s actually sustained pressure at work.

Unions throw around phrases like “working families” like they’re the only people with real jobs and responsibilities, and they’re using this wave to reduce how much of that work they actually have to do.

nurses are piling up bodies in understaffed, full hospitals and you think they're lazy - you should be ashamed.

workers deserve a better deal in this country, period. And the only way to get that is to fight for it, and in this case, its fight to survive! hundreds of thousands of dead, many in this country in poverty or on the verge of it, and neither democrats or republicans are coming to help anyone. unions are one of the only ways to secure a decent income, healthcare, and retirement

Not in response to any one person, but this thread makes it clear that either runners aren't highly educated or we have a lot of trolls.

It's funny how, in running threads, people criticize others for offering advice that isn't based in reality, but here they have no qualms doing it.

solidarityforever343 wrote:

nurses are piling up bodies in understaffed, full hospitals and you think they're lazy - you should be ashamed.

workers deserve a better deal in this country, period. And the only way to get that is to fight for it, and in this case, its fight to survive! hundreds of thousands of dead, many in this country in poverty or on the verge of it, and neither democrats or republicans are coming to help anyone. unions are one of the only ways to secure a decent income, healthcare, and retirement

1: I didn’t say lazy. Opportunistic, yes.

2: I’m not the using a global pandemic as an excuse to reconfigure the lives of workers to secure a better retirement plan.

Yawn^10 wrote:

You are such a clown. Not only are you trying to hide laziness behind some fake facade of laws you keep bringing up, but you also think wasting money on counseling and psychologists will help. You are the problem for these kids. Quit babying then and teach them to add.

You bring up the 14th amendment in another post which has zero relevance here.

The Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment provides that a state may not “deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” It applies to public elementary and secondary schools, as they are considered to be state actors.

Such a clown.

Do away with TeacherCredentialling programs?

Maybe better to replace the long, complicated, expensive credentialing system with internships, real teacher training on the job with stipends or scholarships. Awareness of the real job of teaching is gonna come more in to the light as people drop put and don't join in that careerpath. You can't know what that job is unless you've done the whole process of going through the system and doing the job for a few years. It's tough.

It is also worth noting that teachers, nurses, public service, etc are also some of the least paid, but still college educated required professions. Teachers are required to have a 4 year college degree, yet are barely making more than a retail worker.. but yet, everyone acts surprised that they are demanding more money or working conditions?? Same for nurses. Why wouldn't they want more money?? Why wouldn't they want to be paid at a cost equal to that of business professionals?

These people- nurses and teachers are the very people who care for our children and sick and devote their time to helping others for a fraction of what most people in the corporate or business world make.

I also find it entertaining how many people outside the educational world are quick to jump and make assumptions about how lazy teachers are and how easy their jobs are and how they could do better.. but you do not see teachers doing the same for the business world??

If you are not in a public school on a daily basis you need to shut up and sit down because you haven't a clue what goes on inside a classroom...

REMOTE LEARNING DOES NOT WORK

nobody else in the country is doing this. teachers don't get to just decide they are teaching with kids at home. they are not their own bosses.

i am a teacher in nys. i love my union and im a republic.

the CTU is trash, and it's probably because they've been enabled by corrupt, leftist Chicago policy for so many years.

These guys are sounding like teachers I guess, asking for downtime and all that:

https://www.espn.com/soccer/fifa-world-cup/story/4563643/as-stars-like-mbappe-and-lewandowski-speak-outis-football-nearing-breaking-point

And they’re doing it during a pandemic.

if you can read this, thank a teacher wrote:

Yawn^10 wrote:

You are such a clown. Not only are you trying to hide laziness behind some fake facade of laws you keep bringing up, but you also think wasting money on counseling and psychologists will help. You are the problem for these kids. Quit babying then and teach them to add.

You bring up the 14th amendment in another post which has zero relevance here.

The Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment provides that a state may not “deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” It applies to public elementary and secondary schools, as they are considered to be state actors.

Such a clown.

The main organization denying education to children is the CTU and its teachers.

I also love the handle of the poster I quoted which really sums up the narcissism and self importance of the teaching community.

At least retail workers actually have to go into work. Retail also don’t get every weekend and summers off.

Nurses are actually paid very well, especially during the pandemic. Teachers are admittedly not paid very well but their job is much easier, safer and they get more off time than nurses, or basically any job for that matter.

The business world and it’s associates by and large makes its money through voluntary transactions with other adults. Teachers are artificially kept employed by the state, even when they refuse to come to work.

No, I’ll keep calling out people who demand to be paid but refuse to go into the office.