Official Covid Vaccine thread

The Lily Hammer wrote:

Omicron tearing through the unvaccinated in south Florida.

From two days ago:

"Broward Health system is seeing around 250 COVID-positive patients.

“A good 75-80 percent of those are consistently unvaccinated,” Lenchus said. “We have looked at this last month of the omicron wave.”

The situation in Miami is similar.

Jackson Memorial Hospital shared their latest numbers, indicating 514 patients are COVID-positive, with 117 of them vaccinated and the majority, unvaccinated."

"Those hospitalized with omicron in South Florida mostly unvaccinated."

https://www.local10.com/news/local/2022/01/10/covid-19-omicron-spike-has-mostly-unvaccinated-individuals-requiring-hospitalization-in-south-florida/

Florida is 64% fully vaccinated. And knowing the demographics, I'd bet that the percentage is even higher in south Florida.

This makes no difference. Everybody can catch the cold. What’s the big deal? It’s certainly nothing to freak out about. Unless these people are severely unhealthy to begin with, then you are just posting numbers to post numbers. You could just as easily say this about any data. The only thing that matters is if people are getting seriously sick, which they are not. It’s ludicrous to spin data to freak yourself out over basically nothing if you are healthy. Fear destroys the soul and you are very fearful. I’m trying to hell. If you alter the DNA of a mouse then it is technically no longer a mouse.

You have made horrible decisions, as a healthy runner, to let politics control your heart. That’s on you, not us. We have remained strong and will continue to do so no matter how jealous you act.

For the record, Florida is the best place on Earth. Just ask AOC

Colds generally don't require hospitalization.

Noyankee wrote:

Unless these people are severely unhealthy to begin with, then you are just posting numbers to post numbers. You could just as easily say this about any data. The only thing that matters is if people are getting seriously sick, which they are not.

Your definition of severely unhealthy applies to millions of Americans. They can get seriously sick and die. You can brush it off all you want, but what you don't realize is that the anti-vaxxer movement doesn't possess the nuance that you think it does. A huge number of your kind are severely unhealthy and have their head in the sand. In addition them playing fast and loose with COVID can overload hospitals and increase the risk of high viral load for the old and immunocompromised all around. I'm not afraid of anything, but the anti-vaxxer movement is a bunch of fools afraid of the boogeyman vaccine.

Of course, neither does Faucis potion. You just made my point.

I look at Ontario for three reasons:

1. The data is as close as one can find to real time. The data you are getting from California, New York, Illinois, Texas and Florida is all at least two to three weeks old (and if you look at CDC breakthrough data, it is from October). Old data tells us nothing about Omicron's impact. The latest verifiable breakthrough data I got from California was from 12/23 [which is less than a week after vaccinated cases started outnumbering unvaccinated cases, so would tell nothing of hospitalizations (On 12/6, vaccinated individuals were 35.5% of cases, on 12/14 they were 44.0% of cases, on 12/19 they were 52.4% of cases and on 12/23 they were 53.2% of cases)] and a week before COVID hospitalizations started to skyrocket. The last reliable breakthrough data from New York is from December 6th, the December 13th, 20th and 27th data [which are in the grey shaded regions look like they just did a curve fit to preliminary trends and do not reflect actual data (as the grey data shows both vaccinated and unvaccinated cases rates increasing at the same increment, which is contrary to verifiable data we are seeing in real time from Ontario): "*Grey shaded regions of figures and tables reflect recent weeks for which data are still accruing and estimates are subject to most change."]. Since there is no actual raw data to draw off, it is impossible to determine the veracity of their misinformation. Florida doesn't release breakthrough data. I haven't been able to find much from Texas either.

2. Omicron became the predominant strain in Ontario sooner than it did in the other areas you cite.

3. Canada and the UK have single provider care. As such, there is less confusion as to who is vaccinated and who is not vaccinated. They can easily match up vaccinations with cases. In cases where they cannot establish a connection, they file the cases, hospitalizations and deaths as un-linked (unlike the US, where un-linked cases, hospitalizations and deaths are lumped in with the un-vaccinated). Look at the raw data from a place like California. There is a column for vaccinated and there is a column for unvaccinated. There is no column for unknown, which implies that unknown are lumped in with the unvaccinated, which makes unvaccinated stats look worse and vaccinated stats look better. I checked my vaccination record with the state and I am officially unvaccinated according to the state, even though I received both doses of Moderna at a local pharmacy.

Indeed, millions of Americans are severely unhealthy and you have made my point as well. Those people ought to focus on fitness first if possible, and then consider Faucis chemicals. That’s their choice. Has nothing to do with myself or any other healthy individual. Again, you are acting out of fear, not science. Science tells you runners have basically zero risk. But when you live in fear you have destroyed your most basic resource. Positive thinking. I wish you well and I know you are different now and not clear thinking so I give you all a pass, until you start throwing human beings into modern day concentration camps.

Noyankee wrote:

The Lily Hammer wrote:

Colds generally don't require hospitalization.

Of course, neither does Faucis potion. You just made my point.

If your point was that Omicron is definitely more serious than the common cold, and that the vaccines protect against serious illness and hospitalization, glad to help out!

The Lily Hammer wrote:

Noyankee wrote:

Of course, neither does Faucis potion. You just made my point.

If your point was that Omicron is definitely more serious than the common cold, and that the vaccines protect against serious illness and hospitalization, glad to help out!

It’s not more serious to any active runner. And probably not to anyone for that matter. You are being lied to in order to deliver fear, which is now your MO of life. It’s not even a kid anymore, it’s well documented. Healthy people are just fine. For the record, I have run through Delta and Omicron. Never stopped. The lungs were on Firefox a few days during both episodes for sure. That’s life. The majority of people going to hospitals have no reason to be there. They live in fear you have committed to and help spread.

Harambe wrote:

Let's really tell it like it is wrote:

You got it. Omicron is a common cold for the vast majority of people & will probably be the variant that ends this pandemic once & for all.

The problem is living in one of these Democratic stronghold cities (NYC, Boston, Chicago, LA, etc) that have these very strict mandates/passports - will the Liberals mayors of these fine cities rescind the mandates knowing the pandemic is basically over?

I don’t think the pandemic is “basically over” for the thousands of unvaxxed dying daily in the USA.

Okay....then, are all the unvaccinated eventually going to succumb to the Omicron variant? (that would probably be a joyous movement for you...wouldn't it?).

What about my post-infection immunity? (I survived a bout of the Delta variant this past Sept experiencing mild symptoms that needed no medical intervention whatsoever). However, I think you've gone on record inferring that post-infection immunity is jacksh*t without being fully-vaxxed. So, how long do I have before I succumb to Omicron? (I wake up every day waiting for any signs of symptoms). The anxiety is killing me waiting to be ambushed by Omicron (no pun attended). It tough working out at the gym with this incredible anxiety.

You're self-proclaimed expert with this pandemic - I'm counting on some answers here kid so I can get my personal affairs in order for my beneficiaries. I suppose I got very lucky with the Delta but I may not be so lucky with the monster Omicron? 🤔

joed|rttyy wrote:

2. Omicron became the predominant strain in Ontario sooner than it did in the other areas you cite.

3. Canada and the UK have single provider care. As such, there is less confusion as to who is vaccinated and who is not vaccinated. . .

Again, the most recent UK covid surveillance report is showing vaccines to be effective against omicron with regard to risk of symptomatic disease and hospitalization, albeit at a lower rate than against the delta variant. Specifically 72% omicron effectiveness against hospitalization with 2 doses in the last 24 weeks and 88% with a booster dose.

See "Vaccine effectiveness against the Omicron variant" section starting on page 13 of the report "COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report: 6 January 2022 (week 1)":

Numbers above from Table 3.

Omicron became predominant in the UK earlier than Ontario, you apparently accept their data, analysis has been preformed on the raw data considering confounding factors, so why are you now fixated on raw data from Ontario?

This guy's usually not the brightest, but I think he got it right this time:

"But the fact is that I think the vaccines saved tens of millions throughout the world."

"Trump endorsed COVID-19 vaccines again and blasted 'gutless' politicians who won't say if they've been boosted."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-endorsed-covid-19-vaccines-again-and-blasted-gutless-politicians-who-wont-say-if-theyve-been-boosted/ar-AASHlsJ?li=BBnb7Kz

Noyankee wrote:

Indeed, millions of Americans are severely unhealthy and you have made my point as well. Those people ought to focus on fitness first if possible, and then consider Faucis chemicals. That’s their choice. Has nothing to do with myself or any other healthy individual. Again, you are acting out of fear, not science. Science tells you runners have basically zero risk. But when you live in fear you have destroyed your most basic resource. Positive thinking. I wish you well and I know you are different now and not clear thinking so I give you all a pass, until you start throwing human beings into modern day concentration camps.

Who is living in fear? This might shock you, but when hospitals are full and deaths are higher due to COVID the world is affected. Regardless of my risk profile, this inconveniences me and everyone else. So the actions of severely unhealthy Americans do affect me. Your fitness thing is in some idealistic world where just a little more urging of people to work out and stop unhealthy behavior is going to work. Not going to happen. The vaccine is a far more realistic and attainable step.

The only sensible approach to Covid at this point is for everyone to make their own personal health choice based on their own unique risk assessment. The vaccine efficacy has shown to be poor and omicron is showing very little care for the vaccine, or natural immunity. Everyone is equal at this point from the perspective of acquisition risk. If you are willing to take your chances against covid without the vax, go ahead. If you're worried and would rather get the vax and boosters, go ahead. Anything other than this approach is asinine, especially mandating a vaccine that is showing to be more and more impotent in regards to infection prevention.

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

Again, the most recent UK covid surveillance report is showing vaccines to be effective against omicron with regard to risk of symptomatic disease and hospitalization, albeit at a lower rate than against the delta variant. Specifically 72% omicron effectiveness against hospitalization with 2 doses in the last 24 weeks and 88% with a booster dose.

See "Vaccine effectiveness against the Omicron variant" section starting on page 13 of the report "COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report: 6 January 2022 (week 1)":

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1045329/Vaccine_surveillance_report_week_1_2022.pdf

Numbers above from Table 3.

Omicron became predominant in the UK earlier than Ontario, you apparently accept their data, analysis has been preformed on the raw data considering confounding factors, so why are you now fixated on raw data from Ontario?

You know why he's fixated on Ontario. He was previously fixated on the UK, but then the UK started publishing less-confounded analyses that disproved the smoke-and-mirrors dishonesty he was trying to perform on the raw numbers. So, he had to move onto the next dashboard to brutalize.

Anyway, Ontario IS publishing corrected numbers and rates, joedirt just chooses to ignore them or pretend they are a liberal plot or something lol

Did you look at the numbers and the dates? 28-day day rates are not as meaningful as 3-day rates. If they were using three-day rates or seven-day rates, it would greatly impact the numbers. The reason they are not showing three-day rates is because it would not show the data they want to show. Additionally, numbers didn't start to shoot up in Washington state until recently (they had 51,880 confirmed cases on 01/10, compared to 10,273 on 01/06). Yet another example of a government entity providing skewed data in order to present a false narrative.

The Lily Hammer wrote:

This guy's usually not the brightest, but I think he got it right this time:

"But the fact is that I think the vaccines saved tens of millions throughout the world."

"Trump endorsed COVID-19 vaccines again and blasted 'gutless' politicians who won't say if they've been boosted."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-endorsed-covid-19-vaccines-again-and-blasted-gutless-politicians-who-wont-say-if-theyve-been-boosted/ar-AASHlsJ?li=BBnb7Kz

That's ridiculous. The vaccines did no such thing. Tens of millions, that's Trump being Sotomayor

One can only hope. Someone needs to be strong enough to stop this.

The UK report on 01/20 will be more accurate (they essentially acknowledge as much in their caveat " Further data is needed to estimate the duration of protection against hospitalisation" below the study), as it will almost be pure Omicron in the statistics at that point, as the UK uses 28-days of data for their reports, which would skew the data toward vaccinations being better than they are as the first two weeks of data covered by the report were still predominantly delta with regards to hospitalizations and death. What the study does reenforce is that vaccine efficacy against hospitalizations is rapidly waning due to Omicron. In the week 48 report (before Omicron), VE for Moderna and Pfizer were estimated at 75-85% against infection and 95-99% against hospitalization for a two-dose course. In the week 1 report (which is about 50/50 delta and omicron over the 28-day period), the VE for two-dose vaccines is essentially zero (maybe 10%) against infection, and is 52% against hospitalization (most people were dosed more than 24 weeks ago, as vaccinations peaked on April 15, 2021). That is a massive decline.