Vladimir Putin slams 'monstrous' West for teaching children they can change their gender

Leftist wrote:

What's on your mind? wrote:

Why so triggered?

It is funny that they think it's special privileges, but it's still just wanting equal treatment and equality. "Bake the cake"? Uh yes don't discriminate. Don't call me bigoted terms...same thing. My God. People can't even do the bare minimum of being decent and think THEY'RE under attack. What a joke.

They have gone well beyond equal rights.

Oppose men who call themselves women using public bathrooms meant for women and they will cancel you.

Remember a few years back when the media was pretending this bathroom issue was the biggest civil rights issue of our time? And because No Carolina would not go along with it, the NBA took the All Star Game away from Michael Jordan's Charlotte Hornets and moved it elsewhere. The only black majority owner in a league dominated by black talent and they do this.

Sad.

David 71 wrote:

[quote]letscompare wrote:

Genetic science is creating a crisis for the cultural Marxists who wish us to believe that “race doesn’t exist.” The lie simply cannot be sustained, and Nature is one of the most important journals in the world. If you manage to get published in Nature, you're considered to "have arrived ".

I'm not particularly surprised the relationship between Blacks and Bonobos was slightly closer than the relationship between Whites and Bonobos (since the Blacks remained in Africa, they would have undergone less selection pressure for removing some ape-like features), but there is little doubt that Whites and Blacks are far closer to each other than either are to Bonobos.

I guess I should know better by now than to ever expect liberal academia to allows genetics researchers to put human races and non-human primates on a single PCA chart. They might notice something like this:

The relative genetic difference between Whites and Blacks (arbitrarily considered the same species) is very significantly larger than that between dogs and coyotes (considered different species even though they can interbreed).

And you actually believe that?

And the fact that whites and blacks are all human is "arbitrarily" decided?

The 19th Century is missing you

Well..... wrote:

What a weird thread. People who are trans don't "change" their gender. Their gender is what it is. Just like being gay or whatever, you don't change from being straight to gay.

Or did everyone here pretty much decide to be the gender they are ? What a weird concept.

All trans people are doing is outwardly identifying as their correct gender, and for some making their body align with it.

In the world according to LRC posters, if you admit that trans people's gender identity is genuine, women's and girls' sports will be dominated by men and boys who are pretending to be female.

Therefore, you have to insist calling trans females men and boys and deny that their gender dysphoria is real. That's the only way we can save the sanctity of women's and girls' sports. If those trans teens withdraw from society and lock themselves up in their bedrooms, they would never think about participating in sports. That would be a great victory for girls' sports!

As you can see, this board is full of ardent supporters of women's and girls' sports. Whenever some wacko starts a threat to insult any women's sports like WNBA or women's tennis, those people come in drove to defend women's sports...

Gender identity, like CRT and BLM, is another twisted shibboleth promulgated by the left. Where up is down and down is up. Totally lacking in rationality and completely untethered from reality. Racist policies masquerading as anti-racism. Men masquerading as women (with artificial breasts). If you question their lunacy you are branded an evil heretic. If you refuse to participate or worship at the altar of their twisted liturgy you are canceled.

Anarcho-Bidenist wrote:

1) Quite a lot of them are girls who realised they were attracted to other girls, but couldn't accept they were homosexual, so they thought they were transgender and transitioned (took testosterone etc.).

(I've only heard about this, so I don't know how common this is. But it seems odd. Why would girls find being transgender an easier idea to cope with than homosexuality? I would have thought tolerance for homosexuality was quite high, especially by women, and especially of lesbianism.)

Anecdote is not data, and I don't know if there is any data exists on this. But we hear more stories of trans people first think they are gay / lesbian, and later come to realize they are trans.

Elliot Page is an example. Page first "came out" as a lesbian, and later said he was non-binary. I don't know if he really knew he was non-binary all along, or that he gradually came to that realization. It could be that he thought "coming out as a lesbian" was safer for this acting career.

I haven't heard about any story on the opposite side. Is there any, a celebrity or otherwise, that someone who thought he/she was a trans later realized that he/she was actually gay/lesbian?

Depends what we mean here. I disagree, your conclusion is incorrect, in so much that I don't think that people born in the gender opposite to their birth sex (generalising here, there are some other borderline cases) should compete in the gender category. I don't think this is as difficult a situation as portrayed. You either redefine the classes, or add the specific requirements for that category (i.e based on something like testosterone etc, at younger ages I think it less relevant). Like with the Semenya case on intersex cases, one may have to discriminate in certain unusual circumstances to protect others. I don't have an issue with this.

I think it is a very good thing, Mike, that you understand that one’s gender identity exists, in one sense, along a continuum. I think it’s important that you are able to acknowledge your complicated gender identity. None of this means that as a child you should have been granted the right by the state to surgically change your sex.

roho the ho wrote:

I think it is a very good thing, Mike, that you understand that one’s gender identity exists, in one sense, along a continuum. I think it’s important that you are able to acknowledge your complicated gender identity. None of this means that as a child you should have been granted the right by the state to surgically change your sex.

That last sentence completely missed the idea.

Gender is fluid.

Sex can't be changed. Scientists cannot extract a Y chromosome from someone and replace it with an X.

Well..... wrote:

Depends what we mean here. I disagree, your conclusion is incorrect, in so much that I don't think that people born in the gender opposite to their birth sex (generalising here, there are some other borderline cases) should compete in the gender category. I don't think this is as difficult a situation as portrayed. You either redefine the classes, or add the specific requirements for that category (i.e based on something like testosterone etc, at younger ages I think it less relevant). Like with the Semenya case on intersex cases, one may have to discriminate in certain unusual circumstances to protect others. I don't have an issue with this.

My conclusion? I didn't state my conclusion. I stated the conclusion of other LRC posters. They believe the only way to save the women's sports is to claim that gender dysphoria is bogus. They cannot accept an argument that a "woman" can be denied participation in women's sports. That's why they never stop their crusade of dehumanizing trans women and girls. The same way with Semenya and other athletes with DSD. They think the only way to prevent Semenya from competing in women's races is to call her a "man."

I have never stated that I agree with the above argument. You don't have an issue with nuanced argument, but many people cannot tolerate shades of grey. Everything has to be black and white to them.

Obi Mike Stoppit wrote:

Gender is fluid. X.

Gender is “fluid” (e.g., lacking in consistent definable characteristics) simply because it doesn’t exist. It is not real. You have no biological gender, only sex. The presumption that this imaginary biological feature is real is the farcical intellectual foundation that this entire argument rests up.

It's very unlikely this has happened to anyone famous. It's supposedly happening to girls in mid-teens (early enough that they can take hormones, thereby experiencing some of the effects of male puberty). Several years later they realise they aren't transgender. They go back to identifying as girls, but the effects of high testosterone can't be undone - facial hair grows as it does for men etc.

There are a small number of famous actresses and musicians at that age (is there any other way to be famous at that age? Maybe the daughter of someone famous). I think they'd just come out as lesbians or be closeted or in denial, depending on their personality and culture.

Eliot Page was born in 1987. I think the evolution you described was probably typical at the time. I'm around the same age and recall hardly any awareness of transgender but quite a lot acceptance of homosexuality. I think there has been a dramatic increase in awareness and acceptance of transgender people over a few decades. I think the people who were perhaps homosexual but identified as transgender were much younger than Page.

Andrew Sullivan was someone who mentioned this. I think I read an article of his 3-4 years ago. I may have heard it in some discussions or interviews.

I think Abigail Shrier wrote about it in her book (Irreversible Damage - The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters). I haven't read it, but I've listened to interviews.

Wow. Thanks for explaining. This is all much, much stupider and even more colossally narcissistic than I realized.

Here's the article (it was more recent than I thought)

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sex-change-sorrow-j3nm9hkzw

https://www.rareddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/duaf7s/times_sexchange_sorrow_andrew_sullivan/

balex Aldwin wrote:

Obi Mike Stoppit wrote:

Gender is fluid. X.

Gender is “fluid” (e.g., lacking in consistent definable characteristics) simply because it doesn’t exist. It is not real. You have no biological gender, only sex. The presumption that this imaginary biological feature is real is the farcical intellectual foundation that this entire argument rests up.

Oil is a fluid

Thought is fluid

Kool-Aid is a fluid

You really mean that something fluid lacks definite boundaries. And that's amazingly true for gender. Your complex conglomeration of thought and feeling and natural gravitation to certain things makes gender.

Hence the ideas of cisgender-- your given sex fits your gender

Or genderqueer -- the sex doesn't fit the gender

It certainly has characteristics.

Obi Mike Stoppit wrote:

balex Aldwin wrote:

Gender is “fluid” (e.g., lacking in consistent definable characteristics) simply because it doesn’t exist. It is not real. You have no biological gender, only sex. The presumption that this imaginary biological feature is real is the farcical intellectual foundation that this entire argument rests up.

Oil is a fluid

Thought is fluid

Kool-Aid is a fluid

You really mean that something fluid lacks definite boundaries. And that's amazingly true for gender. Your complex conglomeration of thought and feeling and natural gravitation to certain things makes gender.

Hence the ideas of cisgender-- your given sex fits your gender

Or genderqueer -- the sex doesn't fit the gender

It certainly has characteristics.

…but it also changes day to day, or even minute to minute. You can’t see that this is silly childish nonsense? There is no such thing as “gender” in biology. It is an invention.

This "gender fluidity" fits the goals of the globalist elite to sterilize white children in their home countries so there is an excuse for further importation of a replacement population that is already used to being ruled by radical authoritarians.

The plan is gender reassignment, the goal is genocide by infertility.

balex Aldwin wrote:

Obi Mike Stoppit wrote:

Oil is a fluid

Thought is fluid

Kool-Aid is a fluid

You really mean that something fluid lacks definite boundaries. And that's amazingly true for gender. Your complex conglomeration of thought and feeling and natural gravitation to certain things makes gender.

Hence the ideas of cisgender-- your given sex fits your gender

Or genderqueer -- the sex doesn't fit the gender

It certainly has characteristics.

…but it also changes day to day, or even minute to minute. You can’t see that this is silly childish nonsense? There is no such thing as “gender” in biology. It is an invention.

The word you're looking for is "situational." And it's true for those who are aware of it.

i can buck up and get full alpha when I am playing basketball in a very competitive game.

I can feel like a prissy scared female at the idea of using a public bathroom where there are multiple stalls.

And i can write poetry from both sides of love or loss through the eyes of both sexes.

It's more complex than one can think because you don't think about how to switch, you just naturally switch.

It's definitely not "play."

Just common sense wrote:

This "gender fluidity" fits the goals of the globalist elite to sterilize white children in their home countries so there is an excuse for further importation of a replacement population that is already used to being ruled by radical authoritarians.

The plan is gender reassignment, the goal is genocide by infertility.

No. Gender fluidity never suggests switching your sex characteristics nor from one sex to another.

The goal of awareness is that accepting there are natural differences and that society may come to realize that little Timmy putting on a dress in dress-up center may or may not just be a phase and that, if it's not a phase that no shaming or intimidation is going to change that little Timmy sees himself as a girl.

I've seen a lot of the posts here and being extremely body-aware part by part, obsessing about weight and waist size, and posting about "wiping" is not entirely alpha male behavior, so maybe the truth is that this is more common than you think and it may be time to be aware of what your core feelings are.

It's a tragedy that many of your coaches and bosses stripped the sensitivity that existed to create a team machine.