Nobody cares. He is charged. You just don't give up. You were rude to everyone and were completely incorrect. Now you are trying to explain his actions. Try to stick to the law.
Nobody cares. He is charged. You just don't give up. You were rude to everyone and were completely incorrect. Now you are trying to explain his actions. Try to stick to the law.
Nobody cares. He is charged. You just don't give up. You were rude to everyone and were completely incorrect. Now you are trying to explain his actions. Try to stick to the law.
I do stick to the law. He is charged - but not with murder, as the morons here insisted he is guilty of. Do you also insist they now "stick to the law"? He has not been found guilty of anything and US legal experts suggest it will be an uphill task to convict him. That is the law.
"As a gun owner myself, I think Baldwin had to be out of his freaking mind to be pointing the gun at people, whether someone else told him it was okay or not. Just a reckless, idiotic thing to do."(quote)
You haven't seen many Westerns, have you?
C'mon, Phony Al, tell us what happens on movie sets. And not just Westerns, but crime movies and war movies. They never point a gun at anyone they are depicted as shooting, right?
But in your strange little world, they are all committing criminal negligence.
Still no response to this point from Phony Al. Do actors never point a gun at anyone in a scene where it is used - such as in a Western, a crime movie, or a war movie? What about when whole battalions of actors are using firearms in a scene? No one is pointing at their actual target? They would be "out of their freaking minds to be pointing the gun at people, even if someone told them it was ok to do so"? Really? What are they pointing their guns at? The sky? The ground? Furthermore, in such scenes is it the standard practice for the actors to be responsible for ensuring the firearms are not loaded with real bullets? Or do they rely on armorers and such to supply them with weapons that are harmless props?
You may find that your core criticism of Baldwin has no practical relationship to what happens on a movie set, which is one of the reasons why experts say it will be difficult to prove criminal negligence - especially when he was assured the gun was safe. I doubt that any actor would consent to the future risk of criminal liability in such a situation.
But wrong again. Baldwin firing what he was told was a stage prop in a rehearsal does not constitute involuntary manslaughter, because the act is not inherently unlawful or made so by the gun discharging, unless there was a likelihood that he knew it was armed. He was assured it wasn't. It would have been little different if the gun had gone off purely by accident - as indeed it may have. That would not make it involuntary manslaughter. To make it manslaughter requires demonstrable and avoidable fault - in this case, clear negligence, as I have said previously, or that the act was itself unlawful, such as drink-driving, assault or a robbery, for example. You people can quote all the legal statutes and authorities you like; it doesn't mean you understand them.
"The charges against Baldwin and the set’s armorer, Hannah Guiterrez Reed, include two counts of involuntary manslaughter, the DA’s office said."
But wrong again. Baldwin firing what he was told was a stage prop in a rehearsal does not constitute involuntary manslaughter, because the act is not inherently unlawful or made so by the gun discharging, unless there was a likelihood that he knew it was armed. He was assured it wasn't. It would have been little different if the gun had gone off purely by accident - as indeed it may have. That would not make it involuntary manslaughter. To make it manslaughter requires demonstrable and avoidable fault - in this case, clear negligence, as I have said previously, or that the act was itself unlawful, such as drink-driving, assault or a robbery, for example. You people can quote all the legal statutes and authorities you like; it doesn't mean you understand them.
"The charges against Baldwin and the set’s armorer, Hannah Guiterrez Reed, include two counts of involuntary manslaughter, the DA’s office said."
As I said, that will require proof of clear negligence. That he has been charged does not establish criminal negligence. It will need to be proven. It is a long shot by the DA and independent legal experts have said it will be a tall order proving criminal negligence. That has always been my view. I am as surprised as the legal experts that charges have been proffered. What would surprise me the most would be a conviction. Were that to happen there wouldn't be an actor in a Western, crime movie or war movie who would not be at risk of criminal liability in using a firearm in a scene.
"Hannah Gutierrez-Reed told authorities Alec Baldwin had failed to attend required firearms training during the filming of Rust, so she requested an hourlong firearms training with the movie star, according to court records filed Tuesday. Giutierrez-Reed "felt this training was very important for Baldwin" but told deputies the requested training was cut short due to the actor being distracted on his phone and speaking with family...."
This doesn't exonerate Reed, but adds to the claim that prosecutors are saying that Baldwin, as producer, allowed "a climate of recklessness".
I'm no lawyer, I don't think Baldwin is out of the woods.
Movie sets aren't special places where you can shoot people. The same laws apply. If I point and shot and kill someone, not good enough to say that somebody else told me the gun wasn't loaded. But even then, that isn't what happened here. Baldwin shot her when he wasn't supposed to be pointing the gun at anyone. I suspect he did it intentionally.
It's looking pretty damning for him. Knowing a mandatory 5-year prison term is a real possibility (because a firearm was used), I suspect his lawyers will try to cop a plea.
Buddy, just admit you made a mistake. You just look worse to everyone who can actually read, which even on Letsrun is most people.
You were wrong, severally, with your first post, as I pointed out to you, and citing statutes hasn't added anything to your arguments. You still don't get how extremely unlikely it is that Baldwin will face a manslaughter charge. If you were prosecuting he would definitely breath a sigh of relief.
"The charges against Baldwin and the set’s armorer, Hannah Guiterrez Reed, include two counts of involuntary manslaughter, the DA’s office said."
You're missing the point because you so quickly dismiss people as stupid or having no compassion, and are usually way off base. Just because someone has a different perspective as you doesn't make them wrong.
No mental gymnastics at all. Right now, morons like you are saying Baldwin is guilty of a crime simply because he pulled the trigger and a person died. That's NONSENSE. Regarding right and wrong, YOU are simply wrong here. This is how it will play out too. Baldwin will not be found guilty of a crime and more than likely will not even be charged.
"The charges against Baldwin and the set’s armorer, Hannah Guiterrez Reed, include two counts of involuntary manslaughter, the DA’s office said."
A special shout-out to all you morons who think Baldwin’s going to be criminally charged. He’s not, not because of liburulz, but because he isn’t culpable. Not so for the armorer and the A.D. Watch and learn.
Good job Bob:
"The charges against Baldwin and the set’s armorer, Hannah Guiterrez Reed, include two counts of involuntary manslaughter, the DA’s office said."
Nope, you said what you said. Just because you said something wrong does not mean you can go back and change what you said. Too late for that. Just accept the fact that you were wrong.
If I am wrong Baldwin will be charged with involuntary manslaughter.
You were wrong.
"The charges against Baldwin and the set’s armorer, Hannah Guiterrez Reed, include two counts of involuntary manslaughter, the DA’s office said."
C'mon, Phony Al, tell us what happens on movie sets. And not just Westerns, but crime movies and war movies. They never point a gun at anyone they are depicted as shooting, right?
But in your strange little world, they are all committing criminal negligence.
Still no response to this point from Phony Al. Do actors never point a gun at anyone in a scene where it is used - such as in a Western, a crime movie, or a war movie? What about when whole battalions of actors are using firearms in a scene? No one is pointing at their actual target? They would be "out of their freaking minds to be pointing the gun at people, even if someone told them it was ok to do so"? Really? What are they pointing their guns at? The sky? The ground? Furthermore, in such scenes is it the standard practice for the actors to be responsible for ensuring the firearms are not loaded with real bullets? Or do they rely on armorers and such to supply them with weapons that are harmless props?
What a strange and insistent attempt at manufacturing a deflection/red herring away from your previous, glaring legal errors. You aren't just a fake lawyer, you suck at posting too.
I provided an answer to your irrelevant question above (albeit to someone else). I don't know how they make movies -- which is still more than you know. As I mentioned above, I'm guessing they don't have actors pointing real guns at each other, but rather use various techniques and equipment to make it just appear that way. Much how like actors don't really punch and kick and assault each other in movies, it just appears that they do. But again, I don't know and neither do you.
But if your uninformed speculation that actors must point real guns at each other in filming is true, I'd bet my next paycheck that they no longer have that practice after the Baldwin events. That is because real lawyers (and common sense) would have told them to stop such a practice (if they even do it) immediately.
Whoever wrote that probably cause statement for the state is a moron. Have they never watched any TV or movies? Every other show has people getting shot - how would you film anything if you couldn't point a gun at someone? The whole point is that it's supposed to be safe to point those guns at the actors because the gun/ammo is fake.
What I want to know is why they use a gun capable of firing real ammo. Why not use fake guns, or something that's been modified so it can't possibly fire real bullets?
When I was in H.S. our starter pistol had a metal rod inserted in the barrel near the muzzle. If a live round was fired in that gun it would have been a very bad day for whom ever pulled the trigger. Our coach showed us this every year so no one would get any funny ideas.