Getting ready to turn 60, and setting a goal to break 5 minutes in the Mile.

Gas in the tank wrote:

Any tips from the older runners out there.

You're not Gilbert Flowers by any chance??

Track intervals. No long miles. Rest days are essential, and should be at least 2 or 3 a week

Gas in the tank wrote:

Any tips from the older runners out there.

Don't drink n post.

Tommy Hughes at 61 could definitely go sub 5, but its probably a very short list of guys over 60 who could do it.

Tommy Hughes 2.30 Marathon is worth well under 5 for the mile.

56 wrote:

Not only fit, but he must be very fast. It seems like anyone running sub 5 at 60 years old, would have been running sub 4 in their 20s.

I'm 56, and the days of a 5 minute mile are long gone. I can't run 40 yards at that pace, simply because I can't cycle my legs that fast (or anywhere near it).

I'm 58 10/12 and hoping for sub 5minute mile @60

The OP hasn't replied, so I'm callin bs.

I will need an 800m time of 2.23 or thereabouts and about 68 seconds.

I'm enjoying the training so far. Having something to aim for means I'm no longer just going through the motions and wondering why.

I'm not going to be Tommy Hughes level, so there's no pressure and no delusions about my ability.

I think his 2.30 Marathon is worth a 4.30 mile.

yeah, my advice would be to research age-grading.

From my experience, maybe I could do the age-graded equivalent of a 20 year old's 5 minute mile, but I certainly couldn't get anywhere near that now.

A quick check of the age graded calculator shows that a 5 minute mile for a 60 y.o. male would place you out of the Regional Class, out of the National Class, and well into the World Class of runners. In fact, it yields an age-performance level of 92.25%.

That would be insanely good. To be anywhere near that level, I would very much to like to hear how someone does it.

Just follow on the footsteps of JS. So inspiring! Oh wait, it was just another lie to promote his sub-par coaching.

https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=10064592

[quote]Gas in the tank wrote:

As others have said depends on where you are at

I tried but did not really come close but I did improve and continue to enjoy running at 65.

Good Luck

One of my favorite books with interesting schedules along with where you need to be in order to attempt the time goal. IE the starting point!

https://www.amazon.com/Self-Coached-Runner-II-Country-Distances/dp/0316773026

Charlie wrote:

[quote]Gas in the tank wrote:

As others have said depends on where you are at

I tried but did not really come close but I did improve and continue to enjoy running at 65.

Good Luck

One of my favorite books with interesting schedules along with where you need to be in order to attempt the time goal. IE the starting point!

https://www.amazon.com/Self-Coached-Runner-II-Country-Distances/dp/0316773026

Dang I inherited the first version from my dad and loved it, it's 1970's old school but it still applies today. I had no idea there was a sequel for shorter distances and XC, I'm buying it!

The WR in the 60-65 age group is 4:49

So... Good Luck

A Brazilian Guy wrote:

The WR in the 60-65 age group is 4:49

So... Good Luck

And 4.24 for 1500, worth about 4.43- 4.44

Hahahhahahahahhahhahaa!!!!

Oh man you really suck!

Hahhahahaaa!!

I’m sure your Casio isn’t telling you that it’s more like a 9 min mile???? Hahahaha

I run everywhere in CA and never see anyone over 50 running faster than a 9 min/ mi pace.

Get a GPS watch old timer. I look forward to blowing past all the stiff looking old shufflers in their cotton t-shirts and your Champion brand running shoes on the trails/ pathway. You suck and no way you will break a 7 min mile, Beat it old man 😂

seattle prattle wrote:

yeah, my advice would be to research age-grading.

From my experience, maybe I could do the age-graded equivalent of a 20 year old's 5 minute mile, but I certainly couldn't get anywhere near that now.

A quick check of the age graded calculator shows that a 5 minute mile for a 60 y.o. male would place you out of the Regional Class, out of the National Class, and well into the World Class of runners. In fact, it yields an age-performance level of 92.25%.

That would be insanely good. To be anywhere near that level, I would very much to like to hear how someone does it.

You guys are going way overboard with the hyperbole.

Sub 5 @60 is far below Tommy Hughes level of fitness.

If you really brought together the 100 best 60 year olds in the World 4.30 Mile would be the standard.

uh huh wrote:

seattle prattle wrote:

yeah, my advice would be to research age-grading.

From my experience, maybe I could do the age-graded equivalent of a 20 year old's 5 minute mile, but I certainly couldn't get anywhere near that now.

A quick check of the age graded calculator shows that a 5 minute mile for a 60 y.o. male would place you out of the Regional Class, out of the National Class, and well into the World Class of runners. In fact, it yields an age-performance level of 92.25%.

That would be insanely good. To be anywhere near that level, I would very much to like to hear how someone does it.

You guys are going way overboard with the hyperbole.

Sub 5 @60 is far below Tommy Hughes level of fitness.

If you really brought together the 100 best 60 year olds in the World 4.30 Mile would be the standard.

the time you site has never been run by a 60 year old, at least not officially.

I believe Dan King is the only American to run sub 5 at 60+ over the past several years. It's pretty rare air. I ran 5:14 at the road mile championships a few years back and although not very impressive compared to King and the real running studs had a decent placing.

And 5:08 mile/4:48 1500 would be very competitive at the national And world indoor and outdoor championships. For example at the last two WMA championships (outdoor 2018 and indoor 2019) the winning 1500 m times for 60-64 were 4:51 and 4:48.

You would get better answers if you give us some of your PRs in your prime and in the last five years.

old guys who try to run merely shuffle wrote:

Hahahhahahahahhahhahaa!!!!

Oh man you really suck!

Hahhahahaaa!!

I’m sure your Casio isn’t telling you that it’s more like a 9 min mile???? Hahahaha

I run everywhere in CA and never see anyone over 50 running faster than a 9 min/ mi pace.

Get a GPS watch old timer. I look forward to blowing past all the stiff looking old shufflers in their cotton t-shirts and your Champion brand running shoes on the trails/ pathway. You suck and no way you will break a 7 min mile, Beat it old man 😂

Apparently, you don't run in San Diego. We had 25 guys running faster that 7:00/mi pace in a 5k XC race. We probably had another 15 men and women over 50 running faster that 8:00/mi pace. There easily over another 50 men and women in the San Diego area over 50 who weren't at the race and can run sub-7 pace.

I ran a 4:59.42 on the track at age 60 in 2011. At the time that age-graded to a 92.45%. Anything >90% is considered world class.

World Masters Athletics has put together new Age Grade standards (not yet approved). A 4:59.42 would now age grade at 90.37%.

https://mastersrankings.com/

Masters Rankings has never done all-time lists for the Mile, but I think about 5 Americans 60 & over have broken 5:00 with the latest being Dan King.