Fully Vaxxed Woman's Obituary Blames the Unvaxxed for Her Death

Film Rep wrote:

rgsc wrote:

I think the worms might have gotten to Gelding's mind.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/covid-19-hospitalizations-nonvaccinated

THIS is why CNN et al have lost ALL credibility. The % is indeed high. Good. However, lies are lies. Quit doing that please. Harambe has injected this site with much worse than any horse medicines could.

Harambe wrote:

The "pandemic of the unvaccinated" claimed this woman's life. She is right to flame them in her obit.

As my famous thread has shown, the vast majority of transmissions are from unvaxxed people. Unassailable logic from this tragic case.

You don't know it. Maybe she got it from a vaccinated person. Maybe she got it from you.

I will enjoy 1789 repeating itself when you and your ilk get what you deserve. ;)

Harambe wrote:

jumping jamborees wrote:

Lol. Thanks for sending some criminally insane junk data from Dr. Sharon. Known corrupt stooge. They change data as they please. Just a little while ago...

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/nearly-60-of-hospitalized-covid-19-patients-in-israel-fully-vaccinated-study-finds.html

You are getting owned by Simpson's paradox. Which is fine, it's a very, very confusing statistical effect. Educate yourself here:

https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-efficacy-vs-severe-disease-be-strong-when-60-of-hospitalized-are-vaccinated

Talk about owned and confused. You just got caught spewing another big lie. Just like you were taught by your lying government/MSM machine. Thanks for sharing another link that shows that the majority hospitalized are vaxxed.

jumping jamborees wrote:

Talk about owned and confused. You just got caught spewing another big lie. Just like you were taught by your lying government/MSM machine. Thanks for sharing another link that shows that the majority hospitalized are vaxxed.

The point is that the majority hospitalized in Israel are vaccinated AND the vaccines are working very well!

Both can be true, although it is confusing.

If your goal was just to state a fact: "The majority hospitalized in Israel are vaccinated"

then surely you have no problem with my fact:

"vaccines remain extremely protective against hospitalization in Israel"

kdko wrote:

THIS is why CNN et al have lost ALL credibility. The % is indeed high. Good. However, lies are lies. Quit doing that please. Harambe has injected this site with much worse than any horse medicines could.

I have only posted facts and data.

If the fact that the vaccines work makes you upset, you may want to think about your priorities.

ImpaIa31 wrote:

Harambe wrote:

The "pandemic of the unvaccinated" claimed this woman's life. She is right to flame them in her obit.

As my famous thread has shown, the vast majority of transmissions are from unvaxxed people. Unassailable logic from this tragic case.

You don't know it. Maybe she got it from a vaccinated person. Maybe she got it from you.

I will enjoy 1789 repeating itself when you and your ilk get what you deserve. ;)

The odds suggests she was killed by an unvaxxed, just as many Americans have been in the last few months. It's truly tragic that this continues to happen yet you refuse to accept the data.

Why do the denier-fearmongers want more Americans to die?

Right share examples wrote:

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

Her family has no shame...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9997799/Family-blames-unvaccinated-death-fully-vaccinated-Illinois-woman-obituary.html

And this eight year old has no parents. Unnecessary and tragic, but it doesn’t fit your exception to the rule.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/covid-19-kills-moses-lake-couple-orphans-their-8-year-old-after-visit-to-the-fair/

So peculiar some of you people are. The corporate propaganda is so painfully obvious to most now, and its certainly gotten more obvious, dumb, and repetitive than even at the height of Soviet propaganda but here we are, with quite a few swallowing this nonsense up like a sugar coated jelly donut. The corporate fear porn death propaganda is something that a clearly thinking person would laugh at or get annoyed at but you people are taking this all at face value. Do you not think for a minute how your willful ignorance and laziness is hurting this country?

Film Rep wrote:

rgsc wrote:

I think the worms might have gotten to Gelding's mind.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/covid-19-hospitalizations-nonvaccinated

Any examples of 100%, that’s what we are looking for?

If not, sit it out chump.

Harambe wrote:

jumping jamborees wrote:

Talk about owned and confused. You just got caught spewing another big lie. Just like you were taught by your lying government/MSM machine. Thanks for sharing another link that shows that the majority hospitalized are vaxxed.

The point is that the majority hospitalized in Israel are vaccinated AND the vaccines are working very well!

Both can be true, although it is confusing.

If your goal was just to state a fact: "The majority hospitalized in Israel are vaccinated"

then surely you have no problem with my fact:

"vaccines remain extremely protective against hospitalization in Israel"

That's the point? Really? The point actually is that you clearly got caught spreading more MSM lies and now you're backpedaling. But you are a known worshipper of the new covid fundamentalist religion so it's no surprise.

Harambe wrote:

kdko wrote:

THIS is why CNN et al have lost ALL credibility. The % is indeed high. Good. However, lies are lies. Quit doing that please. Harambe has injected this site with much worse than any horse medicines could.

I have only posted facts and data.

If the fact that the vaccines work makes you upset, you may want to think about your priorities.

No. You've posted politically motivated "facts" and"data". These do not have anything to do with actual facts and trustworthy data. Amazing you believe your "facts and data" have any substance. I don't think you understand yet but the majority have lost trust in everything that comes out from unceasingly lying govt/MSM sources. They have all lost credibility. There is no integrity in anything. The level of belief in propaganda has already peaked and is on a downward trend. Again, few believe anymore in what is clearly disinformation and misinformation. People are done with with the bs.

Right share examples wrote:

Film Rep wrote:

https://www.foxnews.com/health/covid-19-hospitalizations-nonvaccinated

Any examples of 100%, that’s what we are looking for?

If not, sit it out chump.

I rounded up 😘

Film Rep wrote:

But but but 100% of the serious ill and hospitalized are unvaXXXed! 🤔

So they say...

Uh huh. Who is "they"? Link?

Oh, no, wait: You were just trolling and "they" were in your ass, where you pulled that number from. Got it.

What's her BMI.....40?

Film Rep wrote:

Right share examples wrote:

Any examples of 100%, that’s what we are looking for?

If not, sit it out chump.

I rounded up 😘

You had to, otherwise you didn’t have a point at all.

We accept your error.

Film Rep wrote:

rgsc wrote:

I think the worms might have gotten to Gelding's mind.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/covid-19-hospitalizations-nonvaccinated

There is a course at an Ivy League college my boss's son takes called Data Ethics. The CDC should take it, because the gross misrepresentation of facts they are feeding the public in order to sway public sentiment is borderline criminal. Current data shows the vaccines are about 70% effective at this point (not the 99% garbage they are filling the public sentiment with) as it gives the public a false sense of security about how effective their vaccines are by including case data where vaccination status was not recorded. Only about 9 states have been recording the vaccination status and at that, only over the past few months, not the 9 month period they are applying the data to, and most of which does not have delta variant data in it. The wide spread that is currently occurring is indicative of broad based community spread in spite of many people having been vaccinated or having had a previous infection. That only works if the vaccinated and previously infected are vectors as well. With a large percentage of the population having already been either vaccinated or previously infected, the spread should be minimal, but it is not. It is triple the amount as the same time last year.

Here is some data from a local county.

Vaccinated make up 51% of the population, but make up 14.9% of COVID cases, 14.4% of COVID hospitalizations, and 22.5% of COVID deaths, which would indicate that the vaccines are about 60-70% effective. But it is worth noting that many of the breakthrough cases in this period have occurred recently, indicating that the effectiveness of the vaccines at this point is even lower than those estimates as the data is lagging and the delta variant has only been in the data for about half the recorded period. The scary thing (at least in Mesa County) is that the vaccinated are dying at a higher rate than their case rate would predict, which throws the idea that the vaccinated experience mild symptoms and are less likely to be hospitalized or die from COVID if they do get a break though infection out the window (I recognize that they are less likely to contract COVID, but it does not appear they are any better off than anybody else if they are infected).

What is promising is the reinfection rate is much lower than the breakthrough infection rate (918 break through infections compared to 104 reinfections), so those infections that are occurring should provide more robust protection against later surges than the vaccinations have (which, combined with climate factors is why New York and New Jersey are fairing better lately than places like Florida, who had lower death and infection rates during the initial wave).

If Trump had won reelection, liberals would be anti-vax.

Speaking of data ethics, any calculation of observational vaccine effectiveness that doesn't attempt to correct for age is falling peril to Simpson's paradox. Age drives BOTH likelihood of vaccination and likelihood of severe disease.

In Israel the overall vaccine effectiveness against severe disese is ~70% right now.

If you break it out to <50 and over >50 they are both ~90% or more.

Failing to account for the extreme confounder of age on both important variables is a large error and arguably unethical if one is aware of this effect and doesn't at least mention it.

Let's just run the numbers for hospitalizations:

46% the county has been fully vaccinated and they account for 11.7% of the hospitalizations:

VE = 1-(11.7/46/(88.3/54)) = 84% effective. Not sure where you get 70% from.

If they won't break out things by age it's hard to adjust for simpson's paradox but given that vaccination rates are heavily correlated with age in Mesa Co it's likely going to show a similar effect to Israel.

They should place the blame where it lies. It lies squarely at the feet of all these hyper pro vax people and officials who refuse to alert people to the greatest cause of massive Covid spread. hospitalizations and death . Covid is simply a predator doing what predators do. We live in a world where every living thing has a predator stalking it. Even animals at the top of the food chain have predators. With humans, our main predators are primarily other humans and pathogens.

How do predators stalk? Just look at lions stalking antelopes. They pick the weak, the slow moving and the fatted. That is exactly what Covid is doing. In the US 94% of adults who died of Covid had some other discernable medical challenge. That is the CDC data. In the US 40% of the population is clinically obese. Two thirds of the population is overweight. That is a medical crisis of enormous proportions. The Government does nothing of substance to address it. When I meet up with old friends, they look at me being skinny and ask me if I am sick. It has become normal to be overweight and abnormal to look skinny like a runner.

If one looks at any good Covid world map like BBC. one will see the countries with the best outcomes were not highly vaccinated. The did the best because their population was not fat and sedentary like the places that did the worst. The country with the biggest Covid outbreak was India. What is not very publicized is that roughly only 5% of the Covid cases, hospitalizations and deaths in that outbreak were in South India. 95% was in North India. The reason being, a fatter and more sedentary population eating a less healthy diet in North India. The same is happening in the US.

There are many variables affecting covid spread; I will give three main ones: 1. Population health 2. Precautions taken such as social distancing 3. Vaccinations. If one does not address any of the three. one will most likely get covid . If one does only one, there is an average chance of getting covid. Addressing two of the issues gives one a fighting chance. Very few people are addressing all three. The vaccinated are letting their guard down and misguidedly feel the vaccine is such a magic bullet, they don't have to focus on their health.

In the overrun states, it's not just being unvaccinated that's causing the problem, it's a clear failure in the other two areas that's causing this fiasco. The vaccination rates in these states are all over 40% exactly where the highly vaccinated states were six weeks ago. Those states did not have this problem six weeks ago. I rest my case.

The vaccine is now failing. The highly vaccinated countries like Israel and Iceland are seeing out breaks. Israel who has done the best tracking on the planet, says six months later, the vaccine protection is down from 92% initially to now 39%. It simply means the effectiveness fell below 50% in five months or less. 50% is the magic number for vaccine full approval. In the typically long study any vaccine needs for full approval, falling below 50% in five months would cause it to be called a failure and disqualify it from full approval.

Israel is now giving a third shot and buying up as much vaccine as possible because they expect to have to give a fourth shot before year end. As runners we have an obligation to help those around us to eat better and abandon the sedentary lifestyle. It's a difficult obligation. I lost three friends in the last month, all very smart people, but still obese. One was vaccinated, One was not vaccinated. the third was my best friend from primary school who walked to and from school with me every day. I just cannot get a clear answer about his vaccination status. In total since this pandemic started. at least 12 people I personally know, died of Covid. Every one of them was overweight.

Harambe wrote:

ImpaIa31 wrote:

You don't know it. Maybe she got it from a vaccinated person. Maybe she got it from you.

I will enjoy 1789 repeating itself when you and your ilk get what you deserve. ;)

The odds suggests she was killed by an unvaxxed, just as many Americans have been in the last few months. It's truly tragic that this continues to happen yet you refuse to accept the data.

Why do the denier-fearmongers want more Americans to die?

I don't know any denier-fearmonger so I wouldn't be able to answer your question.

The odds don't suggest anything because the odds of Steven Bradbury winning Olympic gold were terrible and yet...

Why do you refuse to accept the possibility that she might have been infected by a vaccinated person?

Better yet, why try to find someone to blame?