Serious discussion: Israel has the most cases of covid per capita in the world right now. What is going on?

Israel is conducting about 4x the rate of testing as the USA, for one:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-tests-per-thousand-people-smoothed-7-day?tab=chart&country=GBR~USA~ISR

They currently have about 1.2X the number of cases per capita as the USA. So it's quite possible that the US actually has MORE cases per capita, they just aren't being caught.

Delta is SUPER transmissible, circulating antibodies are probably waning, which makes people more susceptible to minor disease (other forms of immunity are robust and protect against severe disease, which you acknowledge is NOT waning), Israel has been very open an the population has been confident of their protection from vaccines (which has held up).

I don't think its particularly concerning. If we can be wide open but suffer a burden similar or less than most respiratory diseases, that's enough for me. Delta was a big problem because it's far less sensitive to current levels of immunity as it's literally 3x more transmissible than other strains.

Maybe a 3rd booster will stimulate MUCH better sterilizing immunity than 2. Plenty of vaccinations need 3 doses (Hep B, for one). There's a lot we are still learning about this pandemic, of course.

“Israeli obesity rates are on the increase, with 62 percent of men and 55% of women aged 20-64 overweight as of 2018” Source: Times of Israel

Worse stats than the US?

The problem is, that we now have all these variants. If people would have get vaccinated faster and we wouldn't have social media (including LRC) spreading false information, we might be through this already.

Because people to this day (just check on the letsrun forum) refuse to wear masks and a hesitancy to get vaccinated, make the spread of more variants very likely.

But hey it's all about free opinions about everything (including all the false covid BS on here)

You wejo are part of the problem because you didn't lead when you could have.

Now we go into the second year of cancelled races.

Thanks Wejo!

Wejo if you did more to call out the endless COVID BS on these boards I would feel better about these posts. We don't need 9 threads about the vaccines not working or 4 threads about boosters. It becomes hard to push back on the tons of spam (and I do report threads!).

If 98% of covid infected have little or no symptoms they would not be tested. But if authorities start testing every random person for covid you would show an increase infected even if the actual numbers is the same or less on a percentage basis.

They are also the most vaccinated. It isn’t a coincidence. The vaxxed are spreading.

wejo wrote:

I thought about posting anonymous but one of the beauties of LetsRun is people can discuss things that are shut down elsewhere.

Just want to, once again, thank y'all for upholding American values and letting us practice our freedom of speech, even though it's not perfect all the time. I wish more social media owners would operate the same way y'all do.

KoyPond wrote:

They are also the most vaccinated. It isn’t a coincidence. The vaxxed are spreading.

This is the only logical conclusion. You can spin all the data you’d like and speak to every Dr, but logic does not lie. The vaccinated absolutely must be spreading this virus. Fauci didn’t mention this amongst his propaganda did he folks?

Isn't it obvious what is happening. 🤔

wejo wrote:

But at the same time we're hearing if more people would get vaccinated then COVID would go away and the vaccine reduces the spread, yet Israel which is one of the vaccine success stories now has the highest race of covid per capita in the world. What do you all think is going on? Is this just a matter of Israel testing more people? Or is this somehow related to the consequences of the vaccine? If more vaxxed people let their guard down and go party and get mild cases of covid then no big deal in my book. Or is it something else?

The covid vaccine doesn't prevent infection, it just tells the body to create anti-bodies for after being infected with covid. It's just like cold and flu viruses that never go away and will always exist and are forever changing. The current state of hysteria and fearmongering of covid is just a power grab by woke "scientists" and "doctors" who want to be rich and powerful.

Noyankee wrote:

KoyPond wrote:

They are also the most vaccinated. It isn’t a coincidence. The vaxxed are spreading.

This is the only logical conclusion. You can spin all the data you’d like and speak to every Dr, but logic does not lie. The vaccinated absolutely must be spreading this virus. Fauci didn’t mention this amongst his propaganda did he folks?

Absolutely there can be transmission among vaccinated people. That's acknowledged.

It's about an order of magnitude less than unvaccinated people, maybe more.

Let's not go full stupid on every thread, bucko.

Virus is mutating and circumventing the efficacy of available vaccines. It will continue to cycle like this until it either ultimately weakens or we get better at predicting vaccines.

501miler wrote:

The problem is, that we now have all these variants. If people would have get vaccinated faster and we wouldn't have social media (including LRC) spreading false information, we might be through this already.

Because people to this day (just check on the letsrun forum) refuse to wear masks and a hesitancy to get vaccinated, make the spread of more variants very likely.

But hey it's all about free opinions about everything (including all the false covid BS on here)

You wejo are part of the problem because you didn't lead when you could have.

Now we go into the second year of cancelled races.

Thanks Wejo!

I also love censorship like a good liberal. Dangerous misinformation like covid may have come from a Chinese lab shouldn’t be allowed - at least not until my God-king Fauci says it might be possible.

I believe these so-called "vaccines" are rapidly losing whatever efficacy they originally had. Provincetown proved that for all 3 brands.

Combine ineffective shots with mutations or "variants" of the original virus and it's becoming apparent that the plan is to put humanity on a never ending treadmill of "boosters" that will be tracked via the surveillance mechanism of vaccine passports. The Israeli Minister's statement about the 4th shot is the most chilling red flag yet.

Look at Albert Bourla's statements from 2 weeks ago:

Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla told Fox News on Tuesday that he believed it was "likely" a vaccine-resistant coronavirus variant would eventually emerge.

"Every time that a variant appears in the world, our scientists are getting their hands around it," Bourla said. "And they are researching to see if this variant can escape the protection of our vaccine.

"We haven't identified any yet, but we believe that it is likely that one day, one of them will emerge."

Bourla added that Pfizer could produce new versions of its vaccine to combat a variant within three months of its discovery.

"We have built a process that within 95 days from the day that we identify a variant as a variant of concern, we will be able to have a vaccine tailor-made against this variant," Bourla said.

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/pfizer-ceo-says-vaccine-resistant-205325099.html

And then there's this interesting news that broke a few hours ago:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-present-covid-19-booster-shot-data-fda-experts-2021-09-05/

Israel? That's really Palestine. The place were German Nazi concentration camp survivors were forced to move to by Truman, Stalin, and Churchill.

it should be noted that Israel tested/vaccinated early/and often and declared success, spiked the covid football in the virus' endzone and went about their lives

congregation restrictions, distancing, and event size restrictions were all removed. same idea masks. Israel went full send with the vaccine as their sword of damacles

as everyone knows, delta is breaking through at a minor rate, combine the minor breakthroughs with full-send anti-mask/anti physical distancing and you get more breakthroughs

Harambe wrote:

Wejo if you did more to call out the endless COVID BS on these boards I would feel better about these posts. We don't need 9 threads about the vaccines not working or 4 threads about boosters. It becomes hard to push back on the tons of spam (and I do report threads!).

Wejo, please note that this Harambe character is by far the biggest crap mill of endless Covid BS on LetsRun. About 6 weeks ago, he tried spreading Covid death rumors about people who no longer post on LetsRun. The mods deleted his reprehensible garbage after I reported it.

Agree. Monopolizes the conversation and cherry picks the data to fit his view. Only his view is correct in his opinion. No wonder he only wants one thread.

The great thing about being a right-wing spit baller is that you never have to provide an actual viable alternative or any useful analysis. Just rant and rant and rant and propose imbecilic ideas and sound bites that will never be adopted..

You're a dog chasing a car. If you ever catch the car, you'll have not a clue what to do with it.