Vaccines are extraordinarily safe

Off the Grid wrote:

TexasBaby wrote:

If that were so true then you wouldn't need to keep telling people.

50% of Americans believe in angels. You need to keep telling them obvious facts

50% of the country believes that killing unwanted babies is ok. Your point?

Have you asked any of them about AI potential? How many immunologists do you know? How many scientists do you know? Look, I think the whole issue will be minimal in the end, but we don't know and people saying viruses cause AI disease are not justifying vaccine that mimic the behavior that may produce it. If we want all of the younger people vaxed get them options that are more basic vaccines. The reality is that corona virus vaccines do not last that long, hence no vaccines for the common cold. I doubt this current Pfizer vax will be very effective at all in another year. The experiment with mRNA is what it is, an experiment; I would prefer to keep the kids out of it.

MelRnr wrote:

The OP is right that vaccines, any vaccine, tends to be very safe. Vaccines are not like drugs that are made up of all sorts of chemical compounds that do all the work. Vaccines are simple and designed to trigger your own natural defense to learn to fight the virus.

mRNA vaccines are not that simple.

mRNA vaccines while not “simple” are fairly easy to understand. Think of mRNA as a set of instructions that muscle cells near the injection site use to produce a protein that your immune system attacks as an invader, generating an immune response (antibodies, etc.). The cells break down the mRNA after using the mRNA and antibodies dispense with the protein but retain the ability to recognize that protein on the SARS-CoV-2 virus. 🦠

There aren’t going to be any unforeseen negative long term effects from the mRNA vaccines because there isn’t any residual from the vaccination that could produce them.

Before long you are going to see a revolution in medicine utilizing this technology to target other diseases including cancer, and the Facebook epidemiologists and conspiracy theorists are going to be unmasked as the fools and charlatans they are.

Yessiree Bob wrote:

Before long you are going to see a revolution in medicine utilizing this technology to target other diseases including cancer, and the Facebook epidemiologists and conspiracy theorists are going to be unmasked as the fools and charlatans they are.

What is clear is that “breakthrough” cases are not the rare events the term implies. As of 15 August, 514 Israelis were hospitalized with severe or critical COVID-19, a 31% increase from just 4 days earlier. Of the 514, 59% were fully vaccinated. Of the vaccinated, 87% were 60 or older. “There are so many breakthrough infections that they dominate and most of the hospitalized patients are actually vaccinated,” says Uri Shalit, a bioinformatician at the Israel Institute of Technology

I know math is hard and this’ll probably go over your poor dumb head but 1) mRNA vaccines are safe 2) remain highly effective, Israeli data notwithstanding.

https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-efficacy-vs-severe-disease-be-strong-when-60-of-hospitalized-are-vaccinated

You cant even now if they are save Longterm, because they are very new. Lets see in 5 years or so. That you try to imply otherwise just shows that you are a liar

sayyestonepotism wrote:

You cant even now if they are save Longterm, because they are very new. Lets see in 5 years or so. That you try to imply otherwise just shows that you are a liar

Nonsense. mRNA degrades incredibly rapidly, they can barely keep it stable long enough to inject in your body, and only then by keeping it frozen at -50 C. That you try to imply otherwise just shows you’re an imbecile.

Yessiree Bob wrote:

I know math is hard and this’ll probably go over your poor dumb head but 1) mRNA vaccines are safe 2) remain highly effective, Israeli data notwithstanding.

https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-efficacy-vs-severe-disease-be-strong-when-60-of-hospitalized-are-vaccinated

3 shots gets you to "86% effective" (whatever that means). Then the clock starts ticking until it's time for shot number 4.

What a miracle. We're saved. Where do I sign up ?

Yessiree Bob wrote:

mRNA vaccines while not “simple” are fairly easy to understand. Think of mRNA as a set of instructions that muscle cells near the injection site use to produce a protein that your immune system attacks as an invader, generating an immune response (antibodies, etc.). The cells break down the mRNA after using the mRNA and antibodies dispense with the protein but retain the ability to recognize that protein on the SARS-CoV-2 virus. 🦠

There aren’t going to be any unforeseen negative long term effects from the mRNA vaccines because there isn’t any residual from the vaccination that could produce them.

Before long you are going to see a revolution in medicine utilizing this technology to target other diseases including cancer, and the Facebook epidemiologists and conspiracy theorists are going to be unmasked as the fools and charlatans they are.

You do realize that the proteins produced are attached to cell surfaces; your body develops an immune response to these surfaces. It is not necessarily wise to coax your immune system into doing this. While the mRNA is long gone, the time the proteins protruding from your cells last is not as well known nor the effects of this long term beyond building an immune response to random cell surfaces. It is much more complex than you think and we barely have scratched the surface as to what is actually going on. Again, a wise choice for the elderly and vunerable, not a wise choice to push this experiment on young, healthy unaffected populations.

Yessiree Bob wrote:

sayyestonepotism wrote:

You cant even now if they are save Longterm, because they are very new. Lets see in 5 years or so. That you try to imply otherwise just shows that you are a liar

Nonsense. mRNA degrades incredibly rapidly, they can barely keep it stable long enough to inject in your body, and only then by keeping it frozen at -50 C. That you try to imply otherwise just shows you’re an imbecile.

Don't call people names when you yourself are not thinking through this very thoroughly. There is plenty of potential for long term effects long after the mRNA is gone. This should be obvious to you if you have such a great understanding.

What that means, my innumerate friend, is that vaccinated people in that over 60 population have an 86% lower probability of becoming infected when compared to a control group of willfully stupid unvaccinated morons.

Yeah no there’s not.

Yessiree Bob wrote:

What that means, my innumerate friend, is that vaccinated people in that over 60 population have an 86% lower probability of becoming infected when compared to a control group of willfully stupid unvaccinated morons.

A decent improvement in odds if you are vulnerable to severe illness following infection; otherwise, is it really worth the risk when safer vaccines are out there but not allowed in the USA?

Lead Foil Hat XX wrote:

Yessiree Bob wrote:

What that means, my innumerate friend, is that vaccinated people in that over 60 population have an 86% lower probability of becoming infected when compared to a control group of willfully stupid unvaccinated morons.

A decent improvement in odds if you are vulnerable to severe illness following infection; otherwise, is it really worth the risk when safer vaccines are out there but not allowed in the USA?

I take that back, there are vaccines with better and more complete safety profiles that Americans are not allowed to get.

Yessiree Bob wrote:

What that means, my innumerate friend, is that vaccinated people in that over 60 population have an 86% lower probability of becoming infected when compared to a control group of willfully stupid unvaccinated morons.

Did you know that on December 31, 2020, 99.86% of all Americans who should have been alive on that day were, in fact, alive ?

600k excess deaths “no big deal” - DanM, a genius at work.

Yessiree Bob wrote:

What that means, my innumerate friend, is that vaccinated people in that over 60 population have an 86% lower probability of becoming infected when compared to a control group of willfully stupid unvaccinated morons.

What happened to your username Harambe ? Did your handlers at the Ministry of Propaganda tell you to stop using that one ?