7empest wrote:
MidFootStriker wrote:
How about the rest of NC State's team? What about y BYU? Is Courtney wayment back?
NC State’s whole team is back from last year! Not sure about Wayment from BYU…… but that is an important question?
Wayment doesn't have cross country eligibility left. She wasn't on the national championship team from this spring. That said, I'm pretty sure everyone from that team is back.
Assuming she had an injury where she couldn't run at all for a year it would be virtually impossible for her to be a top 20 Runner this year. If the injury wasn't that bad and she was able to train part of the Season then who knows.
She was a great High School Runner but mainly at the mile with a couple of really good two mile performances. At cross-country she was never a top Runner (top 10 or 20) until her senior year where she had one amazing performance
hope she can prove me wrong as I'm a big NC State fan and would love to see her do awesome. But I was more just curious what people are basing that on besides wishful thinking
Ezrun wrote:
She was a great High School Runner but mainly at the mile with a couple of really good two mile performances. At cross-country she was never a top Runner (top 10 or 20) until her senior year where she had one amazing performance
Nah, not going to list her entire history but she was always stellar at XC. Flaked out I believe in Footlocker her junior year. 2nd place her senior year wasn't really a surprise to anyone following her career in PA. She worked really hard to do well in the mile and had Taryn Parks to push her (Parks, btw, is much more of a natural miler than Starliper), but Starliper's strength is better than her speed at this point. Ultimately I think the 5k and XC will be her strongest events, at least in college. I don't really have an opinion on her being top 20 or not, but it absolutely wouldn't surprise me.
Most runners would like to have this progression.
https://nc.milesplit.com/athletes/5628154-marlee-starliper/progression
FastTuohy wrote:
Ezrun wrote:
That was the very best race of their careers for both starliper and Dudek. and they had each other to push them and it was an absolute Sprint to the Finish. So it's not really that incredible that they were six seconds off the course record
I mean I guess my point is it's not like that was some amazing achievement. Training techniques get better, equipment gets better, shoes, nutrition, I mean look at Katelyn Tuohy she obliterated course record so being 6 seconds off of course record, even for a very storied course like that, doesn't mean they would be top 20 NCAA runners. If they repeated that performance in the ncaa's they'd probably would have been about 50th depending on the year... it's a 6k and toys her courses
Anyway I don't think Dudeck had any realistic chance of going top five or top 10 or even top 20. I think she was running at 100% in races where other more seasoned Runners were running at 90%. She burned herself out and got injured by not pacing herself for the season. Remember Donahue saying that she basically trained alone so I'm sure she wasn't going all out in those races where she barely beat Dudek. Haley Hedberg was 55th, Cali Logue was 115 or something like that. Dudek was 125th...
Also you have to remember starliper was injury-free her whole High School career so to expect someone who just came off a year-long injury of not running to not only be at her past Peak but a good bit better would be an incredible comeback
I would not take Starliper lightly when she is back to full strength. She made that 4:37 mile at Millrose in 2020 look awful easy and ran 9:54.75 as a junior with no competition at the Loucks games. She said she had a side stich the whole race at NXN.
Starliper also followed up that Millrose win a week later with a 9:07 3K in Boston and she beat every NC State girl that ran the 3K that day. She ran faster than Chmiel, Shaw, and Dominique that day.
This thread belongs in the high school section because it’s become a couple fanboys going on about a high school runner who’s not run a single NCAA race. If we are actually discussing NCAA women’s predictions then we should start with BYU, the defending NCAA champ (not Nike HS nationals) and figure out if they have everyone back.
Hey I hope you guys are right! I'm just trying to be realistic. People throw out a lot of crazy predictions especially with young runners....
All right then do you know who is BYU's top 7, and do you have any info about how focused they are on this season and how their summer training went.?
Starliper has great potential... hs xc, 9th grade 300th, 10th 26th, 11th 20th, 12th 5th.... those would be pretty realistic rankings of where she stacked up against the best in the country in xc... only big time high school cross-country performance was Foot Locker senior year, well on the track she had a bunch of really great Mile and two-mile races
Ezrun wrote:
All right then do you know who is BYU's top 7, and do you have any info about how focused they are on this season and how their summer training went.?
I have no intel on their summer training and not sure who’s coming back but if you’ve been following the sport since March you’ve seen them dominate. They split their squad last year between indoor nats and cross nats and dominated both. Take a look at TFRRS performances from the outdoor season combined with cross nationals and its obvious they have at least 7-10 studs with eligibility this fall. Wayment is out of eligibility but she didn’t run cross. Their coach was promoted and it’s possible they bring everyone else back. Orton was not 100% in cross but if healthy will contend for the title…..so the odds are the team they send to Tallahassee is significantly better than the team that won NCAA cross by over 60 pts. That is based on proven NCAA success not some high school phenom performances.
I think both NC State and BYU should be stronger this year. They both had some injuries and weren't 100% so. I would agree that BYU should be tough to beat. They won by 60 points and should only be better this year
Also let's remember this is a thread of welcoming and tolerance and understanding and that no one is perfect. So if anyone has bad vibes just get the hell out of here. I want everyone to feel comfortable just being who they are. So again if you have any bad vibes you get the hell out of here
I really want this to be a thread of peace and love. So let's hate on anyone with a negative vibe. And remember that peace will win the day if we can just be incredibly aggressive against any one not following these guidelines.
Please let's let everyone have their say and speak their mind. Unless they disagree with what you are saying then show no mercy. And most importantly be consistent and impeccable with your words
BYU Vs NC State is a great battle. BYU is composed of middle-aged married women, while NC state is a fun-loving group of unmarried young ladies. It's really a contrast of two different worlds colliding.... it'll be interesting to see if those young soccer moms from byu can do it again
FastTuohy wrote:
Most runners would like to have this progression.
https://nc.milesplit.com/athletes/5628154-marlee-starliper/progression
Most Runners would like to have actually have run a race in the last 18 months
Getting back to the subject at hand and away from the unexplained attacks on certain runners.
Info on the NCAA championship course
Joe Piane Invite (10/1) lists Alabama, NC State, Michigan State, New Mexico and Washington among those signed up.
Nuttycombe (10/15) lists Alabama, BYU, NC State, Michigan State, Stanford, Notre Dame, Oklahoma State and UNC among those signed up.
FSU Invite (PreNats) (10/15) entries are not out but Arkansas shows it on their schedule
Looking at rosters being uploaded on TFFRS, it is a bit annoying to see no one’s class move up. This is because of the Covid extra year and it is the easiest way to see eligibility I’m sure, but it makes it a little unclear how far along they really are.
Tons of freshmen. As one odd example, BYU men show 15 freshmen.
- Some are true freshmen.
- Some just got back off their missions and graduated from HS a few years ago. True freshmen, but two years older.
- Some haven’t been on a mission but ran last year, so they would be seen as sophomores in a normal year.
- Some went on a mission and were freshmen last year, so they are freshmen again. Like Troutner, a freshmen who won NXN in 2017 (2018 grad).
FastTuohy wrote:
bugsy seagul wrote:
Didn't see Jenna Hutchins name on the byu roster. Did she change her mind?
You don't diss the star recruit like that by forgetting to put her on the roster!!!!
I believe she matriculates next year
Correct. Hutchins is still in high school. She'll get to Provo next fall.
Let's get it on!!! wrote:
Word is the pack is ready and Hungary! What do you guys think? Any preseason updates?
Saw katelyn tuohy now looking ripped and tanned as ever, shes so much more fit now, hoping it improves her time also! Looking forward to her progress!
7empest wrote:
pack it in pack it out wrote:
N.C. State won’t be in the mix when it counts. The coaches there have ruined more talented runners than any other program in the country.
At some point they need to figure out that - run them into the ground - isn’t a viable training philosophy.
I'm not even sure why I am responding to this ridiculous statement? It must be because it is such an uninformed, false, and "knows nothing about NC State Training" statement! First, NC State and BYU are the only two horses in the race for the title, the rest are fighting for 3rd and 4th. Second, Coach Hennes is one of the best at development and progress (Her daughter alone is proof of that.......not a 5 star recruit and now an NCAA Champion)! Third, NC State is not a cookie cutter training program. They are not a high mileage program, and they individualize their training into groups based on where their athletes are. And lastly, there is obviously a reason why they have made the NCAA Championship more than any other Women's program..........they have a team culture that women want to be a part of.
He is right, nc state has tean training and group training based on athlete's time
Their top group last year was henes, steelman, chmiel, shaw and tuohy (as seen on savannah's tiktoks, they run and train together when its not a team practice )
Quarzo, zimmermann, hendrix, frazier are in another team
And then the rest
Stopwatcher wrote:
FastTuohy wrote:
Most runners would like to have this progression.
https://nc.milesplit.com/athletes/5628154-marlee-starliper/progressionMost Runners would like to have actually have run a race in the last 18 months
hahahhaha that was COLD
Ezrun wrote:
BYU Vs NC State is a great battle. BYU is composed of middle-aged married women, while NC state is a fun-loving group of unmarried young ladies. It's really a contrast of two different worlds colliding.... it'll be interesting to see if those young soccer moms from byu can do it again
The byu runners age jokes never fail to make me laugh