Top 10 american marathoners by year???

Should have looked for more than four seconds. Took me 13.

US Men's Top 10 rankings by T&FN, 1963-2002

http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/rankings/menusranking.html

[ignore 1998]

Men's performance lists, 1999-2005, including marathon

http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/lists/us_m.html

Joseph McVeigh wrote:

Should have looked for more than four seconds. Took me 13.

US Men's Top 10 rankings by T&FN, 1963-2002

http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/rankings/menusranking.html

[ignore 1998]

Men's performance lists, 1999-2005, including marathon

http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/lists/us_m.html

Joe,

You found the same as me. Your first link does not include times and your second link does not include the marathon for eithe 1999 or 2000. Maybe your sarcasm of looking for 13 seconds was a tad premature.

Come on Joe, everyone knows the "bible of our sport" always has major gaps in what it puts on-line. I think they are afraid it will hurt readership if they put complete data out-there for all to see.

That is why they don't update national event lists or world and US rankings except for once every few years.

It would make their back issues less valuable.

While I'm at it they also decide who get the Athlete of the Year and Marathon World rankings before the Fukuoka Marathon and a few other late season races.

Heaven forbid anyone ever run fast at those races, it won't be considered in the rankings.

MARATHON

2:13:27 Brian Sell (Hans)

Ch...........08/13

2:13:39 Alan Culpepper (Nik) Boston.............04/18

2:16.57 Chad Johnson (unat) Phoenix............01/09

2:17.14 Clint Verran (Hans) Austin.............02/13

2:17.32 Peter Gilmore (Ca) Boston.............04/18

2:18:13 Wynston Alberts (unat) Rome...............03/13

2:18:17 Ryan Shay (Nik) Boston.............04/18

2:18:33 Mbarak Hussein (unat) Seoul..............03/13

2:22:36 Dennis Simonaitis (Ut) Tampa..............02/06

2:22:46 Jason Lehmkuhle (unat)

Ch...........08/13

worst year since?

And are TNF lists ever accurate? Nope. There's about 10 guys better than 2:22 at Chicago not on that list.

Apologies for the sarcasm (tho yr first post said nothing about times). Effort is generally proportional to results, and I came up short in both cases.

Mark Misch, coach at Southwest Baptist University, complied some pretty comprehensive lists a few years ago as part of his work for his masters's degree. Likeable guy -- contact him, he may be a source for you.

Thanks for the lead. I should have been more clear with my wants. I do understand how helpless some are when trying to find info. But honest I did spend a litlle time looking before I asked. I just thought that maybe I was missing the obvious. I can probably dig through all of my old TNF and compile it myself, I just thought that maybe someone else had already done the work.

2:13:20 (12) Alan Culpepper

2:13:27 ( 9) Brian Sell

2:16:57 a ( 5) Chad Johnson

2:17:14 a ( 5) Clint Verran

2:17:32 a (10) Peter Gilmore

2:17:32 (14) Matthew Lane

2:17:44 ( 2) James Jurcevich

2:18:13 (15) Wynston Alberts

2:18:17 a (11) Ryan Shay

2:18:23 a ( 7) Mark Pilja

2:18:28 ( 1) Mbarak Hussein

2:18:38 ( 1) Teren Jameson

2:19:29 (15) Joshua Eberly

Those are the 13 that have broken 2:20 this year.

This might be useful:

http://www.arrs.net/YR_MaraUSA.htm

I've also got US top-50 lists on paper going back to about 1970.

And I don't think T&FN leaves things off their website on purpose. I think they're trying to do the web on the cheap because they don't understand its power, and as a result their website is a half-ass operation.

at least abdi, meb, downing and graff should be under 220 at new york. lets hope.

Very Helpful. Thank you.

and add Shay to that list in NY.

it would be funny to see gabe jennings on the sub 220 marathon lisr after the calififornia international marathon he is scheduled to run on december 4th.

jsquire wrote:

http://www.arrs.net/YR_MaraUSA.htm

That link is great except for one thing- the "sum" column. That is a meaningless stat because a sub 2:10 is counted multiple times, ie, in the sub 2:11, 2:12, 2:13....all the way up to the sub 2:20 columns.

What are they thinking?

They often put the marathon rankings in a later issue due to the late season marathons. One year they decided to make the marathon season different than the calendar year, with very bad results.

Logic wrote:

While I'm at it they also decide who get the Athlete of the Year and Marathon World rankings before the Fukuoka Marathon and a few other late season races.

Heaven forbid anyone ever run fast at those races, it won't be considered in the rankings.

ARRS Stats wrote:

That link is great except for one thing- the "sum" column. That is a meaningless stat because a sub 2:10 is counted multiple times, ie, in the sub 2:11, 2:12, 2:13....all the way up to the sub 2:20 columns.

What are they thinking?

He, not they. Ken Young is probably giving each year a rating, i.e sub-2:20 is 1 point, sub-2:19 is 2 points, all the way to 15 pts for each of KK's 2:05s. Young is big on ratings.