US Women out perform Men ??

US men are not even close to the US women

Harrier46 wrote:

Seems that way to me.

Seems? Are you an actual imbecile? Or do you have Downs?

The competition is much harder on the men's side. No country on the men's side could run an entirely B team 4x100 and be seeded 2nd and first in the prelims. Men have less error for margin.

Because very few countries care about women’s sports.

Very prescient op-ed

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/23/sports/olympics/olympics-naomi-osaka-simone-biles.html

DontFeartheVax wrote:

Very prescient op-ed

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/23/sports/olympics/olympics-naomi-osaka-simone-biles.html

Lol @ Gwen Berry on the same conversation with Biles and Osaka.

For those of us who don't support racist trash, please tell me what it says in the article since I'll never pay for it.

Yes and it wasn't even close

It's tough to be a male athlete in a third world country, but it's even tougher to be a female athlete in a third world country. This reduces the amount of competition for the women since track is possibly the sport with the highest amount of elite third world athletes.

Dutch Sprinter wrote:

For those of us who don't support racist trash, please tell me what it says in the article since I'll never pay for it.

“ The I.O.C. swaddles the Games in gauzy myth and claims to be politically neutral and divorced from the brutal truths of the world. But that’s a lie. The Games mirror society. The heavy burden Black women carry in all walks of life will be carried by Black female athletes competing in Tokyo….

Semenya is a Black woman from South Africa. She is treated with a lack of respect and a disregard for her humanity. She is hardly the only Black or brown woman discriminated against by a system whose lodestar is the Eurocentric, Swiss-based International Olympic Committee….

The phrase Black Girl Magic gets bandied about a great deal during the Olympics. But Black Girl Magic, as laudably comforting as that phrase seems, comes with its own cost: the pressure to be perfect thrust at women from every direction….

All athletes know how quickly they can be forgotten and dismissed. But Black women know this better than anyone else…. Who gets remembered, and who gets forgotten? And yet Black women press forward. At the Tokyo Games, they will show up and show out. That’s not magic. It’s work in the face of bitter reality.”

USA ALL TODAY wrote:

Harrier46 wrote:

Seems that way to me.

Seems? Are you an actual imbecile? Or do you have Downs?

Not after that 10,000m. That was an embarrassment for the women. All three were LAPPED by 2 runners and should have been lapped by the bronze medalist. At least Woody, Klecker, and Fisher all finished within about 125 meters of the winner in the 10k and 5k.

Dutch Sprinter wrote:

The competition is much harder on the men's side. No country on the men's side could run an entirely B team 4x100 and be seeded 2nd and first in the prelims. Men have less error for margin.

This is the answer, as well as the fact that the US supports women’s athletics whereas many countries do not. If those black U.S. women were in any number of other countries, they would receive less support than they do now (and they all are not adequately supported now) and in some places they would not be allowed to compete.

Gwen Berry lol! Like she was a factor in anything.

Dutch Sprinter wrote:

For those of us who don't support racist trash, please tell me what it says in the article since I'll never pay for it.

If it’s racist trash, why do you want someone else to read it and tell you about it?

I agree with your main point on this thread, but you seem like you’re chasing your tail when it comes to the NYT piece.

Thanks. It's amazing how a "newspaperx can just make stuff up. Never offering a shred of proof for their claims. How is Semenya treated with a lack of respect because she's black? Show me a white women at the time period who was given respect in a similar situation that Semenya was not given the same respect. If you can't (they can't) then there is no racism.

You have to love how they have to throw in " and brown communities" just to try to appeal to political voters. Not that they have a single example....

And how do black women know better than anyone else who can be forgotten? Is there an example of a great black racer that we have all forgotten? Or is just throwing random words into sentences? Or is she just showing white males what a true racist actually likes.

Dutch Sprinter wrote:

And how do black women know better than anyone else who can be forgotten? Is there an example of a great black racer that we have all forgotten? Or is just throwing random words into sentences? Or is she just showing white males what a true racist actually likes.

They give an example:

“ A through line connects the athletes of old to the athletes of today. In the American context, we can start with the track stars Louise Stokes and Tidye Picket, who in 1932 became the first Black women to qualify for an Olympic team. On the trip to Los Angeles, where the Games took place that year, they faced harassment from their own team members including Mildred “Babe” Didrikson. Then, when the competition began, they watched from the sidelines, with no explanation given for their exclusion.

Chances are, this is the first time you have heard of their story.”

Thanks for the example from the article. You ar correct, I've never heard of them.

But no one can name a white woman from the same time, thus they are not discriminated because of their skin color. The most famous olympians from the 30s, in my opinion only, are Luz Long and Jesse Owens. One white, one black. Owens is the most famous, which is kind of racist that white people from that era don't get remembered. I don't see white people complaining about it.

Title 9 good bad or indifferent- that is up to you.

Fact: Over the past 3 to 4 decades, when one takes out football, Title 9 has lessened the number of scholarships in men’s sports, gutted the number of men’s sports, increased the number of scholarships in women’s sports, added the number of female sports. Google your university and look at the number of men’s sports to the number of women’s sports. Not only will you see more women’s sports, the sports available to both men and women, such as track and field, have far more scholarships available to women. As well, many schools don’t even offer the full allotment of scholarships available to men in a sport. When that is the case if coaches can’t get a top US recruit with the limited number of scholarships rather have to work with they will often go for a foreign athlete. The importation of foreign athletes in the men’s sports has been going a lot longer and to a far greater degree than in women’s sports. That fact will only become an issue when women’s sports begin to shift and have more and more foreign athletes then and only then will it get attention from the NCAA. So not only are there fewer scholarship men’s sports, fewer men’s scholarships in those sports that remain, we give many of those few scholarships not to US men but to foreigners. In so doing we are trying other countries Olympians.

Knowing this - what can anyone expect?

The harsh reality is, it is very difficult for those that gain their livelihood in sports to bring this up and talk about the obvious for fear of losing their job by being labeled in the many ways our society does based on emotion and lack of knowledge.

Training other country’s Olympians.