Muir put over 4 seconds on Debues Stafford in the final lap - can we accept she’s world class now?

sanchobaile wrote:

Muir is consistently world class... ?

and GDS was going backwards the last lap, so to say Muir "put 4 seconds on her" is a bit misleading

Muir is consistently world class. Muir has won five European titles (indoor/out), a silver and a bronze at world indoors, has run fabulous times against the best competitors, and she's a two-time Diamond League winner. While the Euro titles may be meaningless to the US, some of the best in the world compete in those championships.

Jo72 wrote:

Despite a few good results from Purrier (who also seems to have peaked a bit early), Muir has been a level higher for several years...

It will be interesting to see if Purrier moves up to the next level. She and Muir have followed such different trajectories that it's hard to compare them. Purrier is two years younger, but she is much farther behind athletically. Muir has been been in the top tier for six years. She first ran under 4:00 (3:58), and won her first DL, in 2015, when she was 22. When Purrier was 22, her PB was 4:14; a year later, it was 4:07. She didn't run under 4:00 until she was 26.

Muir v Purrier v Stafford PBs aged 19-25

Purrier St-Pierre

19 -

20 04:18.59

21 04:33.32

22 04:14.48

23 04:07.79

24 04:02.34

25 04:00.77

Muir

19 04:17.81

20 04:07.76

21 04:00.07

22 03:58.66

23 03:55.22

24 04:00.35

25 03:58.18

DeBues-Stafford

19 04:07.44

20 04:06.53

21 04:03.55

22 04:05.83

23 03:59.56

24 03:56.12

25 03:58.22

And a reminder that DeBues-Stafford is actually 7 months younger than Purrier.

not sara hall wrote:

when did people say Muir is not world class? wtf

/thread

Even without Genzebe the 1500 field on the women's side is absolutely stellar. It's a tough time to medal and Muir fcking earned it in Tokyo. Happy for her.

another perspective wrote:

Muir v Purrier v Stafford PBs aged 19-25

And a reminder that DeBues-Stafford is actually 7 months younger than Purrier.

Nicely done. Thanks! How did I forget about GDS???

Von Trips wrote:

The fast race helped Muir.

Muir is a very poor tactical runner. Just look at her championship record prior to this in the OG and WC.

WAS a poor tactical runner. Today, her tactics brought her a silver. She could have stayed in the pack and kicked for a bronze. Instead, she made great tactical moves today. Followed Hassan when she took the lead, then sat on Kipyegon's shoulder for 1000m, moved up on to Hassan's shoulder after Kipyegon kicked, then put the hammer down to pass Hassan just off the final turn. Every decision was the right one today and she took a medal that no one thought was available to her. She couldn't have run a better race and as Steve Cram said, given how good Kipyegon is, that silver will feel like a gold.

sanchobaile wrote:

Muir is consistently world class... ?

and GDS was going backwards the last lap, so to say Muir "put 4 seconds on her" is a bit misleading

You know this is the dumbest take ever, right? You are trying to say that because person A sucked in the last lap that person B, who ran their last 400 significantly faster, didn't crush them? Is that really the logic you are using?

sanchobaile wrote:

GDS was going backwards the last lap, so to say Muir "put 4 seconds on her" is a bit misleading

No, those two phrases are saying the same thing, only from different perspectives.

"Going backwards" is a comparative measure. You can only go backward relative to some other person or thing. In this case, GDS was going backwards relative to Muir. So saying Muir "put four seconds on" GDS is the same as saying GDS "went backwards" to Muir.