In retrospect, Centro's gold medal is similar with Kawauchi's Boston win. It was great strategy by Centro, but mediocre performance at best.
The reason Centro isn't in the final is Stewart McSweyn, who front ran in both of his heats. So the final is going to be a fast race and we will finally see what Hocker can do.
I am with you on how a lot of Americans rejoice failures of American athletes. The same happened to our Women's soccer team. Many Americans wanted to see them lose out completely. Super unpatriotic
zzzzza wrote:
Tribe wrote:
I was impressed with Hocker and I hope he does well.
The thing that disturbs me is the number of Americans that seem to rejoice in the failure of American athletes. Centro has been an all time great. I don’t know why so many root against him. Same with Rupp and countless others. I don’t remember it being this way in the past. Back in the 90s we didn’t have much to cheer for but I’m pretty sure most of us idolized Kennedy and Todd Williams and even Steve Holman (who could never come through for us but we stuck by him).
An all time great?!??! Whatcha smokin’?
He’s an Olympic champion for sure, but not an all time great - dude hasn’t even broken 3:30...
Maybe an American great. Nick Willis is arguably better internationally.
Do you consider Webb an all-time great? He never broke 3:30. He does know how to break down a diesel engine block, though.
crete wrote:
zzzzza wrote:
An all time great?!??! Whatcha smokin’?
He’s an Olympic champion for sure, but not an all time great - dude hasn’t even broken 3:30...
Maybe an American great. Nick Willis is arguably better internationally.
Do you consider Webb an all-time great? He never broke 3:30. He does know how to break down a diesel engine block, though.
Webb? An all-time great???!!!??!
Farah
Lagat
El Guerouj
Bekele
Gebrselassie
Coe
Cram
Ovett
and many more... but not Centrowitz or Webb 😂😂😂
Clearly Shelby getting caught doping spooked him and he went off his doping cycle
ShilohDoesntCare wrote:
trying wrote:
What qualifies as a factor on the world stage? Does he have a weakness? Absolutely, but look at his finishes in the championships below. "Never a factor on the world stage" is a asinine comment
Competition record
Year Competition Venue Position Event Notes
Representing the United States
2011 World Championships Daegu, South Korea 3rd 1500 m 3:36.08
Olympic Games London, United Kingdom 4th 1500 m 3:35.17
2013 World Championships Moscow, Russia 2nd 1500 m 3:36.78
2016 World Indoor Championships Portland, United States 1st 1500 m 3:44.22
Olympic Games Rio de Janeiro, Brazil 1st 1500 m 3:50.00
Lol the last one was an anomaly and we all know that and then you put up World Indoors a meet that no one in East Africa cares about. They send their B and C team if anyone at all so per your list Centrowitz has not been a factor since 2013 plus one (now more solidly agreed upon) massive outlier of a race not indicative of anything on the world stage.
I can't speak for anyone else on here but myself, I just don't like Centrowitz and it has nothing to do with him being American. He's cringy and I don't like his personality. On top of that he's been on two of the most suspicious training groups in the US. He'll always have that gold medal, but it was the worst 1500m Olympic or WC race certainly in the modern era and I have every right to say that because that's 100% what it was, just as he has the right to say well I'm still a gold medallist. BTW the fact that it was slow is not his fault. If the field let's him lead that slowly that's on them as well, it's not on him to set the pace and of course had it gone faster he would still have been there and maybe had a shot at a medal. Centrowitz believed he was at or close to the best shape of his life and could not make the final in a fast race. That's all you need to know about 2016.
I don't really disagree - but this long winded diatribe is different than saying "never a factor on the world stage"... literally winning the Olympics means you are a factor on the world stage. Throw that one away because you don't like that it was slow? Fine - still medaled in reasonable times against reasonably quality competition in 2011 and 2013.
Also, that indoor world championship he beat Nick Willis (but he's trash, barely won any medals) and Ayanleh Souleiman (also garbage of course, he couldn't even walk after his 1500 this Olympics).
runnerdave wrote:
In retrospect, Centro's gold medal is similar with Kawauchi's Boston win. It was great strategy by Centro, but mediocre performance at best.
The reason Centro isn't in the final is Stewart McSweyn, who front ran in both of his heats. So the final is going to be a fast race and we will finally see what Hocker can do.
Couldn't disagree more. Kawauchi, grinding hard, pushing his body to the limit in tough conditions vs Centro trying to slow the field down to win on a lucky kick.
Kawauchi's performance was gutsy, and even fast, considering the weather.
USA Womens 800 wrote:
Fast semi or final will always dump Centro.
4 global medals + 1 junior medal + tons of US titles. You really think that that's true? The dude is known for getting through rounds & being in contention for a medal. It didn't happen this year. He has a gold medal. He ran 3:33 when 3:32 made it. It's not like he ran like absolute trash. Just couldn't move the way he needed to with 200 to go. The sport is getting faster at the top level. Did you think before today that 3:32 was what you were going to need to make the final? If I told you Centro runs 3:33 in the semis, do you think he would have made it?
tolotolo wrote:
Clearly Shelby getting caught doping spooked him and he went off his doping cycle
This.
NERunner0353 wrote:
USA Womens 800 wrote:
Fast semi or final will always dump Centro.
4 global medals + 1 junior medal + tons of US titles. You really think that that's true? The dude is known for getting through rounds & being in contention for a medal. It didn't happen this year. He has a gold medal. He ran 3:33 when 3:32 made it. It's not like he ran like absolute trash. Just couldn't move the way he needed to with 200 to go. The sport is getting faster at the top level. Did you think before today that 3:32 was what you were going to need to make the final? If I told you Centro runs 3:33 in the semis, do you think he would have made it?
According to a poster in another thread, Schumacher's inexperience in coaching middle distance runners is what cost Centro that 1 second.
crete wrote:
zzzzza wrote:
An all time great?!??! Whatcha smokin’?
He’s an Olympic champion for sure, but not an all time great - dude hasn’t even broken 3:30...
Maybe an American great. Nick Willis is arguably better internationally.
Do you consider Webb an all-time great? He never broke 3:30. He does know how to break down a diesel engine block, though.
What are you, some kind of Moran?
Mechanics before lawyers and middle distance runners !
Swedish Pride wrote:
runnerdave wrote:
In retrospect, Centro's gold medal is similar with Kawauchi's Boston win. It was great strategy by Centro, but mediocre performance at best.
The reason Centro isn't in the final is Stewart McSweyn, who front ran in both of his heats. So the final is going to be a fast race and we will finally see what Hocker can do.
Couldn't disagree more. Kawauchi, grinding hard, pushing his body to the limit in tough conditions vs Centro trying to slow the field down to win on a lucky kick.
Kawauchi's performance was gutsy, and even fast, considering the weather.
My point, which I thought would be obvious, is that both races were flukes. Yes, I love the gutsy Karauchi too, and if you want to put some $$$ on him winning another Major, let me know.
runnerdave wrote:
Swedish Pride wrote:
Couldn't disagree more. Kawauchi, grinding hard, pushing his body to the limit in tough conditions vs Centro trying to slow the field down to win on a lucky kick.
Kawauchi's performance was gutsy, and even fast, considering the weather.
My point, which I thought would be obvious, is that both races were flukes. Yes, I love the gutsy Karauchi too, and if you want to put some $$$ on him winning another Major, let me know.
Centro's win wasn't a fluke and winning the Boston Marathon isn't in the same universe as winning an Olympic Gold Medal.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
runnerdave wrote:
My point, which I thought would be obvious, is that both races were flukes. Yes, I love the gutsy Karauchi too, and if you want to put some $$$ on him winning another Major, let me know.
Centro's win wasn't a fluke and winning the Boston Marathon isn't in the same universe as winning an Olympic Gold Medal.
How many people have ever won the Boston Marathon? How many people have ever won an Olympic Gold Medal?
runnerdave wrote:
Swedish Pride wrote:
Couldn't disagree more. Kawauchi, grinding hard, pushing his body to the limit in tough conditions vs Centro trying to slow the field down to win on a lucky kick.
Kawauchi's performance was gutsy, and even fast, considering the weather.
My point, which I thought would be obvious, is that both races were flukes. Yes, I love the gutsy Karauchi too, and if you want to put some $$$ on him winning another Major, let me know.
So maybe I am off my rocker and I am often but am I wrong to think that discussion will be re-evaluated if Hocker doesn't win Olympic gold since Centro has and still showed 5 years later he has the speed to beat Hocker?
As you say..he looked flat...and still beat Hocker.
This is Jim Kiler wrote:
Yes, Centro is out, but there's one thing nobody can ever take from him.
The fact that his winning 2016 time was slower than any medalist in his event since 1932, and even slower than some paralypmic athletes ran at the 2016 Paralympic Games.
Yes, he can likely run faster, but his 2021 mile record effort was a major fail, and when his semi went at big boy pants-level, he cried and took his ball home.
Now, that made me laugh!
Centro did run faster than Hocker in the semis.
Are you freaking kidding?
Actually no. I'm not surprised. Your Nordic country killed many Swedes unnecessarily because you had to view yourself like Odin and Wotan.
You Scandinavian slime can eat my Valhalla.
Birkoboy wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Centro's win wasn't a fluke and winning the Boston Marathon isn't in the same universe as winning an Olympic Gold Medal.
How many people have ever won the Boston Marathon? How many people have ever won an Olympic Gold Medal?
I was talking about the 1500m Gold Medal and not skateboarding. The Boston Marathon is also run annually. If the 10 best marathoners in the world had been there, do you think Karauchi still would have won?
Jeffy wrote:
I am with you on how a lot of Americans rejoice failures of American athletes. The same happened to our Women's soccer team. Many Americans wanted to see them lose out completely. Super unpatriotic
Not as super unpatriotic as woke Rapinoe and her buddies. What comes around goes around.
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