Could we hit 200,000 cases per day?

It is easy to understand, but the mistrust doesn’t appear to be justified. It might have made some sense not to trust mRNA vaccines a year ago, when little was known by the public, but not anymore.

mRNA vaccines have been under development for more than a decade, with the earliest research dating as far back as 1989. It is both tested and time-tested.

It also appears that Novovax is actually not yet ready, with Novovax only planning to ask FDA approval in late-September, having had difficulties manufacturing the vaccine, and also not better, at only 90.4% efficacy (not bad, but also not better).

If it is just a question of still fearing the mRNA vaccines, the viral vector Johnson and Johnson vaccine is already approved by the FDA, and has been since March.

I have to ask again, why are you trying to make it political, and blaming Biden? This is about vaccinating the people.

J & J is essentially the same thing; it turns healthy cells into pathogen factories. There are multiple inactivated whole-virus vaccines available, Russia has one peptide based vaccine as well and there is no reason the US could not provide assistance to Novavax to usher theirs along faster. The fact is that Biden is stalling the effort to get people vaccinated by demanding people choose not time tested mRNA/Viral Vector based vaccines. The mRNA vaccines have very very small number of trials in instances were only sick people are the target, i.e. HIV vaccines. Most of these trials have only just been initiated. It is completely false to claim we have long term data on mRNA based vaccines. Please do not spread misinformation. The choice by the US government to not provide whole-virus options or more traditional peptide based options is completely intentional and political and ridiculous. They could easily see a jump of 10% in the overall vaccination rate with the flick of a pay and less money that Biden is spending to halt Trump's border wall. Why does Biden choose death and politics over saving lives? I do not know but they should be pointing the finger at themselves and the solution to this problem is very easy.

The whole-virus vaccines don't work nearly as well.

You are the only person I've ever 'met' who is explicitly terrified of mRNA vaccination. The most resistant people to vaccination don't know what mRNA is nor how "traditional" vaccines are different.

Regardless the mRNA vaccines are very safe, have short physiological half-lives, and have over a year of safety data at this point. This argument gets weaker every time you repost it.

Lead Foil Hat XX wrote:

Why is this so hard for liberals to understand. More technological options ==> higher vaccination rates; it is a no brainer.

It might be nice if this were true; to a great extent, it is not.

The *overwhelming* majority of people I've encountered who have said they're not going to be vaccinated have said, "I'm not going to get the vaccine. Period." "The" vaccine--people are not distinguising between different kinds of vaccines and different modes of immunization. To them, "the" vaccine is one thing: the vaccince against Covid; *any* vaccine against Covid is "the" vaccine.

Very few people--I'd put it under 5% of the population--have the means or the motivation to distinguish between different vaccine types and the different ways they are developed and provide immunity. I'm not strong on the distinctions myself, even though I'm highly motivated and have a graduate degree in a relevant field; it's foolish to expect any but a few to have that kind of knowledge. They've just made up their minds based on rumors, conspiracy theories, and fear mongering.

This is just not true. You have just wholly resorted to lying now.

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

This is just not true. You have just wholly resorted to lying now.

Which part? I haven't met anyone else who isn't getting vaccinated only because they don't want the mRNA vaccine.

Harambe wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

This is just not true. You have just wholly resorted to lying now.

Which part? I haven't met anyone else who isn't getting vaccinated only because they don't want the mRNA vaccine.

That is because you sit in your basement all day doing nothing. Your experiences are not some sort of representative slice of reality.

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

That is because you sit in your basement all day doing nothing. Your experiences are not some sort of representative slice of reality.

It's true. They are just my dreams. But thanks to Letsrun, they have become reality.

Checkmate liberals.

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Which part? I haven't met anyone else who isn't getting vaccinated only because they don't want the mRNA vaccine.

That is because you sit in your basement all day doing nothing. Your experiences are not some sort of representative slice of reality.

You are back to just making up your own facts again. Dude you are a shill and a liar with bad opinions and a poor ability to think logically and assess reality. Personally, almost everyone I know that has not been vaccinated is doing so because they want more long term data on the sketchy mRNA/viral vector vaccines. Reality is somewhere in the middle between the sole group of stupid conspiracy theorists you associate yourself with and the huge number of well educated academics, doctors and scientists that I know. If the US gov provides more options you will get that huge group largely vaccinated.....it is that easy but you choose the idiotic strategy of pounding your head against a wall; it is killing the few brain cells you have left.

"Nearly 48% of those who reported vaccine hesitancy expressed concern about side effects. More than one-third didn't think they needed the shot, didn't trust the government, were waiting to see if the vaccine was safe or didn't trust COVID-19 vaccines specifically. And 14.5% said they didn't like vaccines in general."

that poll doesnt say anything about the technology of the vaccines?

you're projecting your misguided fears onto the whole population...

you seem upset your prediction of massive vaccine side effects has come true yet... "two more week" :)

Seems someone is mad their Novavax stock hasn't been performing well enough.

432534 wrote:

1101 wrote:

There is another name for "herd immunity" through infections. It is called maximum deaths.

Thank you for never failing to provide our daily dose of fearmongering.

It has nothing to do with fear mongering. It is simply a FACT that reaching "herd immunity" through infections is literally the same thing as maximizing infections. It is literally, the "let's make sure everybody gets sick so that nobody gets sick" strategy.

Nice try though.

Kvothe wrote:

Given half our population won't get vaccinated, 200k cases a day is likely before the end of the year. Overwhelmed hospitals in low vax areas. Of course many will have some immunity from their first bout of covid-19 so we may not see as many hospitals overrun this year.

Highly unlikely to reach a 7-day average over 200k per day.

1101 wrote:

[quote]The Unkle wrote:

And yes, the narrative has been written and of course it includes us hitting 200k cases per day.

Then you will admit to being wrong when we do not hit 200k cases per day, I am sure.

Let's analyze.

They are now claiming a 7 day average of just over 40k. And crying surge, surge, surge

I am just guessing tis will go to 200k as I am not the one who wrote the narrative; my guesses on what will be claimed next have been pretty accurate.

I thought cases would be said to be surging again in 2020 in September. It happened in October of 2020

This year I again bet September. It happened in July.

Not too bad.

Right now they are now claiming a 7 day average of just over 40k new cases per day. And crying surge, surge, surge.

As i am just guessing that the narrative will bump this number by times five, I may be proved wrong.

There is a difference between guessing and being wrong and stating something as a fact and being wrong. Too nuanced for you?

Make up your mind. You said the real issue was mistrust in mRNA and J&J is not mRNA.

In any case, Novavax is not ready.

Biden is not stalling. On the contrary, Biden chose to organize a massive national rollout in 100 days, reversing the free-for-all chaos he inherited by a president doing an ostrich impersonization.

Under Biden, the USA went from 3400 deaths a day down to 230, and you ask why he chooses death, suggesting it is political and not about saving lives?

This obvious and proven life-saving strategy was not slowed down by choosing to save money not building a useless wall — stay on topic.

Novavax has less testing than Moderna, Pfizer, and J&J.

The reason to not assist Novavax, is because the USA does not have a lack of supply problem, but a lack of demand problem and a misinformation problem and a misplaced mistrust problem.

We don’t need a 10% jump, but a 40-80% jump. This is only possible when the misinformation and misplaced mistrust stops, or alternatively when the virus runs its course through the unvaccinated, at great expense and psychological cost on fatiguing hospital staff and at great cost to businesses due to returning rolling lockdowns, and otherwise generally prolonging the return to normal life.

Even if Novavax approval were fast-tracked — they are not ready.

The irony is not lost on me that you want to solve a problem of “not tested enough” by bypassing the completion of testing of another vaccine.

What part of "waiting to see if the vaccines were safe" do you not understand. People do not trust the tech yet and you just continue to lie and claim it is some sort of "don't tread on me" mentality. Don't be an idiot, the solution to getting to herd immunity through vaccination is simple. Provide more time tested options and you will get there...it does not matter which ones, just more options that mRNA/Viral Vector tech.

2600 bro wrote:

Seems someone is mad their Novavax stock hasn't been performing well enough.

No stock, but would could ask why you two (or one) are so against having other vaccines tech options available ASAP> Logically this will improve the situation, yet you seem either vested in the mRNA or just too dumb to realize it. So what is it? You do realize that shaming people into the mRNA tech is not working anymore, correct? So what are your ideas for improving vaccination rates? Forced mRNA vaccinations? More useless guilt mongering?

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

What part of "waiting to see if the vaccines were safe" do you not understand. People do not trust the tech yet and you just continue to lie and claim it is some sort of "don't tread on me" mentality. Don't be an idiot, the solution to getting to herd immunity through vaccination is simple. Provide more time tested options and you will get there...it does not matter which ones, just more options that mRNA/Viral Vector tech.

I have seen no evidence that people are particularly concerned about the safety of mRNA vaccines over other modalities. I find it funny that someone would accept 12 months of safety data from a whole-virus vaccine (which has a decades-long history of adverse events) and not accept the same from the mRNA. Both vaccines seem very safe with the mRNA vaccines being much more effective.

2600 bro wrote:

you seem upset your prediction of massive vaccine side effects has come true yet... "two more week" :)

I know a helluva lot more people made sick by the jab in six months than I do people made sick by the virus in 17 months.

Maybe you ought to put down the tv, the laptop, the newspaper and take a look around the real world and give that more credibility than what the bosses tell you in the media