Salazar was crazy for thinking someone would sabotage Rupp, but some creep was taking photos of Rupp’s wife and kids?

doping NOPers wrote:

btc burrito wrote:

Nobody is saying it’s not weird or fishy. But it has been proven it was antibiotics that was mailed overseas. Stop changing the story to fit your narrative.

I just sent an email which stated that I ate all my vegetables. That is absolute proof that I did.

So the email chain where Magness says “Galen is sick” and Salazar says “I’m sending antibiotics” and then Magness says “Got em, Galen doing much better” is all some sort of conspiracy? And turns out Magness was also in on everything?

Does that really sound more plausible to you than Galen was sick and he sent him antibiotics?

doping NOPers wrote:

Dog Trainer Elite wrote:

Who is more pathetic: the vigilante stalker-by-proxy or the online gossip rag trying to monetize it? This is a new low for LRC and a desperate ploy to remain relevant.

I am tempted, very tempted, to contact an old college friend working in the WC22 organization and asking that Gault, the Johnsons, and anyone associated with LRC be denied press credentials next summer. This is sleazy tabloid behavior and, sadly, not unsurprising given the trajectory of this site in recent years.

You would deny access to hard-hitting, honest, fact telling, unbiased, intelligent professional journalists like rojo and wejo?

Your tongue must be in your cheek, these guys are totally biased, they've been biased against the Nike for not sponsoring them individually. Or some such.

They've been accused many times of being atwin egomaniacs in their own echo chamber...

Well that may not be entirely true, there's probably a creative truth or two to it. Rojo has often said that Wejo it's the overly emotional of the two... And that probably explains a lot of his takes.

About 90% of the anti Nike and Alberto sentiment here is way over the top.

The sentiment I experienced at the Olympic trials, with those in the know behind the scenes and track and field, I was that Alberto was mostly penalized for his feces like personality... Can't disagree there, he's got a very uneven personality from quote sweetheart to abrasive prick unquote. And that's what some of his friends said!

Prevaricating? What is he prevaricating about? He was very clear. I will be very clear.

We didn't pay for it. We didn't hire the private eye.

We have no idea who paid for this. I thought we made that clear. An anonymous person emailed us the report.

I found the whole thing a bit creepy. Having said that if they found a doping violation people wouldn't think much of it. A private eye is how you would find that out. They didn't fine one imo which is supportive of Salazar.

As for the paywall, tons of entities put stories behind paywalls. We made it so people could easily discuss the story without paying to read it.

Well I guess 20% of people believe the moon landing was fake. I probably get too worked up with what a few people say on here but believe strongly in having dialogue and letting people express their opinions even if they are critical of us.

People can believe what they want. Jon has a stellar reputation. But I can't think of a single story we've had to retract in the history of LetsRun. I could be mistaken. There are a few things I regret ie Louis Luchini petition.

On this story we all agreed it was a bit creepy. But that doesn't mean it is not a story.

I asked why it was a story at all because we didn't think a violation had been found. The argument that won out was the fact someone went to this great length to try and bust Salazar is a story in itself, they strongly believe a doping violation was committed, and the AIU is looking into this report to determine if using Salazar' wife's house is a violation.

If someone hired a PI to tail say Tom Brady for 2 weeks after deflate gate and issued a report that would be a story in itself.

The email chain:

SM - There's a big race coming up and Galen isn't feeling so great.

AS - Do NOT take him to a doctor right away to get legally prescribed medicine available immediately at every pharmacy in the world. I will get him some special antibiotics and they should be there in a few days. I will send them hidden in a hollowed out book.

Three days later.

SM - Galen took the unmarked mystery pills and is now a lot faster. It is a good thing that we didn't get help at once from a legitimate medical professional.

AS - I will save these emails in case anybody asks about the unmarked pills that I sent through customs in a hollowed out book. I mentioned that they are only antibiotics and that is certainly proof that they are antibiotics. And I hid them from customs because I didn't want anyone to think that hidden mystery pills could possibly be illegal. And I didn't want you to get him licensed medical help right away because what is a few days of suffering compared to the comfort of having his special medicine that is only available through his special pharmacy? Be sure to send me a sample of his blood so that I can get it to the Mayo Clinic to make sure it passes doping controls because that is what all innocent people do. Not that there should ever be a positive but you can never be too careful what with all the people running around with testso cream on their palms and massaging it into unsuspecting victims' skin.

I don't like NOP, I think Galen was cheating, I didn't read this article. It's gross.

wejo wrote:

^^^^THIS. Quit prevaricating JG. You guys are the real trolls on this site. You should out the person who paid for this. You are just as creepy as them and possibly even worse for putting this behind a paywall.

Prevaricating? What is he prevaricating about? .[/quote]

You guys troll all the time while trying to hide behind the ‘journalist’ label. Your brother openly admitted to making fake threads and trolling on the MB. You allow a known doper to be an admin on your site. You have no credibility.

Also, did daddy give you a gold star for looking up prevaricating? As illiterate as you guys are, that’s a real achievement

There was only one nut job in the Salazar story and I'm pretty sure she hates LRC.

THIS

Okay, Chicken Little.

travis t. wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

With respect to “doping NOPers”, it seems that fans of the sport should have taken great comfort, after 7 years of investigation and litigation, “a wide range of evidence …, including eye-witness proof, testimonies, contemporaneous emails, and patient records … more than 2,000 exhibits, … 30 witnesses and 5,780 pages of transcripts”, when not one single NOP athlete in its entire existence was ever sanctioned for doping.

Salazar fell in his sword for the sake of the team and Nike.

This makes absolutely no sense — Salazar and Nike did not decide the who and what. Rather they fought hard to not take any sword.

The “who” who was charged and the “what” what was prosecuted, was decided by Tygart/USADA, based on “a wide range of evidence …, including eye-witness proof, testimonies, contemporaneous emails, and patient records … more than 2,000 exhibits, … 30 witnesses and 5,780 pages of transcripts”.

Note this goes way beyond “NOP athletes never failed a test”, representing the best and most thorough investigative approach that an anti-doping organization can muster, to bring about an ADRV.

Tygart confirmed that he “left no stone unturned (in relation to any athletes)”.

“USADA did not sanction any of (Salazar’s) athletes after finding no evidence of any wrongdoing by them.”

“There is no point in the World Anti-doping Agency (WADA) looking into athletes who trained under banned coach Alberto Salazar because the U.S. Anti-doping Agency has already done that.”

This doesn’t sound like an anti-doping organization holding “more than 100% proof”.

As further demonstration against “more than 100% proof” that Salazar is guilty of “everything he was accused of”, it might be worth watching the BBC/Panorama, and keeping score of all of the accusations compared to the rule violations.

Alternatively, read the AAA Panel report. Tygart brought multiple counts of 5 violations to arbitration, and only succeeded on 1 count each of 3 violations.

smoke and fire wrote:

If the teenaged Rupp was on a supplement, why does his medical form say he was on straight testosterone?

It was not a medical form.

It did not say “straight testosterone”.

wejo wrote:

I asked why it was a story at all because we didn't think a violation had been found. The argument that won out was the fact someone went to this great length to try and bust Salazar is a story in itself, they strongly believe a doping violation was committed, and the AIU is looking into this report to determine if using Salazar' wife's house is a violation.

The real story is: who hired the PI? Another story is why is Salazar the coach so many love to hate?

When you look at the technicality nature of all three violations, and realize the fact that none of them changed the outcome of any race that included any NOP athlete, I have to seriously wonder if a 7-year investigation and litigation was the best use of scarce anti-doping resources. If we find out USADA hired the PI, this means more expense and spending of scarce resources.

LOL, seriously. All of that USADA "incompetence" you are citing here follows their traditional way of accepting excuses (meat/supplements/kissing/...) for our dopers and actively supporting our athletes in their doping by providing them with warning calls ahead of formally unannounced OOC tests. Plus, as we learned from Jenny, they don't even count a missed test as a missed test if they can test the athlete hours later in a different city (also after extra bonus hours of overhydrating and masking).

USADA for years after Armstrong's whistleblowers: 0 positive tests, no action until after his retirement, then "lifetime" ban for the retiree.

USADA for years after Salazar's whistleblowers: 0 positive tests, no action until the whistleblowers went public, then "lifetime" ban for the 61 year old coach (later reduced in arbitration to four years).

Also, although we had about 15-18% blood dopers at two consecutive worlds:

USADA for years after the ABP introduction: 0 sanctioned ABP violations.

Tygart should be chased out, and USADA declared non-compliant by WADA.

"confirmed", lol. More precisely: "claimed"; I would say: "pretended", for USADA evidently cannot be trusted to do their job properly.

wejo wrote:

We didn't pay for it. We didn't hire the private eye.

We have no idea who paid for this. I thought we made that clear. An anonymous person emailed us the report.

Your claim was perfectly clear. There are just many here who don’t take you at your word.

By your own logic, whether or not you hired the PI, it’s worth noting that there’s a broad presumption in your user base that you did, and the presumption in and of itself is significant. More people on this website are discussing the PI and who hired him or her than the claims themselves. Will you turn the eye inward and reflect on why your user base trusts you so little?

I couldn’t agree more. On one hand, I understand the need to fully investigate NOP, but I think Salazar is just a mad genius who needed to know how far the rules could be pushed now that everything is out. There are people including brojos who can’t let it go and are so mad that they will do any amount of damage to NOP to make their point

StraightTalker101 wrote:

The real travesty here is that LetsRun published this. They had a choice. Given there is no evidence of any wrongdoing, it was not in the public interest. If I was Rupp/Salazar, I’d be lawyering up. Yet again another disgraceful moment in the history of this site.

And Yet you are here reading and replying rather than leaving a site you hate?

Yep, despite any good they might do they're drawn to circle the drain to play Pied Pipers to a small minority chorus of militant purists. It must turn off many in the sport at higher (or any) levels who would ordinarily side against Salazar types to see this turn to muckraking.

E Oneil wrote:

There was only one nut job in the Salazar story and I'm pretty sure she hates LRC.

THIS

The more I think about it, the more it makes perfect sense about who would be mental enough to take photos of Salazar and Rupp's families and kids inside their own homes. There is only one person that has shown that level of immaturity and mental instability in the Salazar story.

It sounds like you believe USADA and Tygart are incompetent and untrustworthy, based on your unique interpretations of the rules and facts.

WADA has the right of appeal of every decision made by USADA, and the right to declare USADA non-compliant, if there were any evidence of non-compliance.

WADA was also asked by the IOC to review the NOP athletes after the Salazar decision.

It appears that your unique interpretations are not ones shared by WADA.

casual obsever wrote:

career wrote:

Lots of the stories about him seemed like people freaking out for attention about clearly borderline stuff not in the realm of straight up doping.

LOL - not this again.

Facts:

- as an athlete, he doped himself with testosterone

- his first star pupil was banned for doping with testosterone

- as a coach, he is currently banned for three anti-doping rule violations, originally for life, then reduced to four years in arbitration

- as a coach, he is now also suspended for abuse.

Bump for those who continue to repeat the lie that Salazar has never been found to be engaging or implicated in doping.