FAITH KIPYEGON 3:51.07!!!!

looks about right to me wrote:

Rank Mark Competitor DOB Nat Pos Venue Date Results Score

1 3:50.07 Genzebe DIBABA 08 FEB 1991 ETHETH 1 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 17 JUL 2015 1287

2 3:50.46 Yunxia QU 25 DEC 1972 CHNCHN 1 Beijing (CHN) 11 SEP 1993 1283

3 3:50.98 Jiang BO 13 MAR 1977 CHNCHN 1 Shanghai (CHN) 18 OCT 1997 1279

4 3:51.07 Faith KIPYEGON 10 JAN 1994 KENKEN 1 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 09 JUL 2021 1278

5 3:51.34 Yinglai LANG 22 AUG 1979 CHNCHN 2 Shanghai (CHN) 18 OCT 1997 1276

6 3:51.92 Junxia WANG 09 JAN 1973 CHNCHN 2 Beijing (CHN) 11 SEP 1993 1271

7 3:51.95 Sifan HASSAN 01 JAN 1993 NEDNED 1f Khalifa International Stadium, Doha (QAT) 05 OCT 2019

8 3:52.47 Tatyana KAZANKINA 17 DEC 1951 URSURS 1 Zürich (SUI) 13 AUG 1980 1267

9 3:53.91 Lili YIN 11 NOV 1979 CHNCHN 3 Shanghai (CHN) 18 OCT 1997 1255

10 3:53.96 Paula IVAN 20 JUL 1963

That's a very good "Chinese" performance by Kipyegon.

Hassan is the most feminine emotional runner.

Passant wrote:

Hassan is the most feminine emotional runner.

Surprising, when you have that amount of testosterone in your veins.

Ghost1 wrote:

moist wrote:

If you think this was a clean run, I have a religion to sell you. Just give me 50% of all your income and you'll be saved in heaven.

It seems that every magnificent performance in athletics is associated with irregularity or doping and this is sad. This is unique to track and field and possibly cycling as well, but more so in track and field. If you watch the Tour de France right now in cycling and see that the riders are riding for hours on the flats at average speeds of 50 km/h and going up steep mountains for hours on end at 25 km/h that boggles the mind but do you really think they’re all doped up? Virtually impossible.

Are you serious? Do you know anything about cycling? Yes, they are 100% ALL DOPED UP. All of them in some form or fashion. You seem to be willfully blinded to drugs in sport. Naive or disingenuous…I haven’t been able to determine which.

dog days wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

I dont think you have been following the threads for Hassan, Gidey, Tsegay and all the other usual juicers.

I'm not saying Kipyegon is clean, but Hassan is much more suspicious to me. Winning a ridiculous double no one has ever attempted and let alone accomplished when a few years before she couldn't close in a championship race? And no, I haven't followed those other threads. What's the consensus - everyone fast is doping?

Hassan is a doper, but a clean Kipyegon just easily destroyed her in a massive pb? While rolling about and not being out of breath? Is that what you’re believing?

rio bravo wrote:

Ghost1 wrote:

It seems that every magnificent performance in athletics is associated with irregularity or doping and this is sad. This is unique to track and field and possibly cycling as well, but more so in track and field. If you watch the Tour de France right now in cycling and see that the riders are riding for hours on the flats at average speeds of 50 km/h and going up steep mountains for hours on end at 25 km/h that boggles the mind but do you really think they’re all doped up? Virtually impossible.

Are you serious? Do you know anything about cycling? Yes, they are 100% ALL DOPED UP. All of them in some form or fashion. You seem to be willfully blinded to drugs in sport. Naive or disingenuous…I haven’t been able to determine which.

I know a bit about cycling and I'd agree that most of the cyclists are doped to the gills. After that, T&F is probably the next most dpoed sport.

rio bravo wrote:

Hassan is a doper, but a clean Kipyegon just easily destroyed her in a massive pb? While rolling about and not being out of breath? Is that what you’re believing?

Hassan has already two world records in her legs

(one that interest more the Britain)

an unique double World Championship 1500m/10000m

Let see how much weight Kipyegon in versality...

rio bravo wrote:

dog days wrote:

I'm not saying Kipyegon is clean, but Hassan is much more suspicious to me. Winning a ridiculous double no one has ever attempted and let alone accomplished when a few years before she couldn't close in a championship race? And no, I haven't followed those other threads. What's the consensus - everyone fast is doping?

Hassan is a doper, but a clean Kipyegon just easily destroyed her in a massive pb? While rolling about and not being out of breath? Is that what you’re believing?

So if I dope, absolutely no one can then come and beat me ?

PED testing in NBA, NFL, MLB, etc is way laxer. The fans don’t even care that Ayton, starting center on our next NBA champions, is a convicted doper. Not a word about it.

Why must T&F be ruined by rumors when it’s likely a much cleaner sport than any other?

Chef Gordon Ramzi wrote:

The "She was good as a junior!!!" rationale points to a higher likelihood of doping, not a lower one.

Virtually all African "juniors" are overage and loaded to the gills by their European coaches/handlers. The "junior" and "youth" champs contain some of the biggest cheaters on the planet.

Look again if this is your take just note you think every top foreign athlete is doping. She is represented by Global Sports Communications. Practically 80% of the greatest athletes of all time are/were. So if everyone in the sport is doping she remains the best and most talented. Or European coaches/handlers only dope while working with African athletes? Let’s look at cycling shall we. Please.

Doping affects the perception of a sport where there is a direct, noticeable correlation between doping and performance. There are certain sports such as running or cycling where the correlation is inescapable and where there is an apparent chemical threshold past which performances can no longer be credibly deemed as merely a matter of natural ability. A similar thing happened with baseball due to the degree to which the sport is statistically measured.

And even assuming that every elite runner would willingly dope if given the chance, differences in enforcement and administration still make the playing field uneven. There is doping and there is DOPING like you had in elite cycling with doctors monitoring the process. And in running you only have a handful of events at the elite level and no month long Tours, so getting away with it should be easier. I think in running you have professional ultra dopers that dominate the sport the same way the ultra dopers did in cycling. And in the same way it takes the fun out of it.

Armstronglivs wrote:

That's a very good "Chinese" performance by Kipyegon.

Yes - I need to update my list.

Kipyegon just moved from all time 9th up to 4th, and Muir jumped to place 17:

1500 m all time best

1) G. Dibaba 2015 – Drug Cheat Coach Aden

2) Y. Qu 1993 – Drug Cheat Coach Ma

3) J. Bo 1997 – Drug Cheat Coach Ma

4) F. Kipyegon 2021

5) Y. Lang 1997 – Drug Cheat Coach Ma

6) J. Wang 1993 – Drug Cheat Coach Ma

7) S. Hassan 2019 – Drug Cheat Coach Salazar, passport suspicious 2016

8) T. Kazankina 1980 – Cold War State-Sponsored doping

9) L. Yin 1997 – Drug Cheat Coach Ma

10) P. Ivan 1988 – Cold War State-Sponsored doping

11) L. Lan 1997 – Drug Cheat Coach Ma

12) G. Tsegay 2021

13) O. Dvirna 1982 – Cold War State-Sponsored doping

14) L. Zhang 1997 – Drug Cheat Coach Ma

15) S. Houlihan 2019 – Banned Drug Cheat

16) Y. Dong 1997– Drug Cheat Coach Ma

17) L. Muir 2021

Lb315 wrote:

rio bravo wrote:

Hassan is a doper, but a clean Kipyegon just easily destroyed her in a massive pb? While rolling about and not being out of breath? Is that what you’re believing?

So if I dope, absolutely no one can then come and beat me ?

If they do it with a near record run, behind only the Aden coached model of Dibaba and Ma’s Army Chinese, while making it look easy and not being out of breath, then I’d say you should strongly consider the factors that it might take to achieve such a thing.

Thanks for the well thought out reply. I would need to sit back and think for a while about your argument to really come to some firm conclusion, but off top I guess I see your point. In track, the world records fall, just like in MLB so it’s more perceptible than in NFL where records don’t matter much. Fair enough. But it cssts such a pall over the sport.

Also, I know the particulars of NBA drug testing very, very closely: It is much easier to be a super doper in the NBA than in T&F.

Lb315 wrote:

rio bravo wrote:

Hassan is a doper, but a clean Kipyegon just easily destroyed her in a massive pb? While rolling about and not being out of breath? Is that what you’re believing?

So if I dope, absolutely no one can then come and beat me ?

If you are running against those who are much the same level as you are - which is what it is like amongst the top athletes - then, no - none of them will beat you. Put another way - your doped version of yourself will always beat the clean version.

But I would add, that if you are nowhere near the level of those you compete against then doping won't be enough for you to beat them. But that isnt professional.sport, where the margins are small.

LDoc wrote:

moist wrote:

I hate to burst your bubble, but they're all doped. From Rupp to Houlihan to Bekele to Kipyegon. Every one of them cheats. You simply can't compete at the world level without it. This is the reality of the sporting world as a whole, and if you'd prefer not to see it I won't blame you. Just don't pull the lazy-ass racist card when someone points it out.

If '[e]very one of them cheats,' then no-one is cheating. She's the best of the dopers (and, therefore, the de factor best). This assumes that you're more than an armchair 'know it all', and I think this is an assumption too far, even for this thread.

No, it means she has the best response to the meds. If you're really a doc then you are well aware of varying response to pharmaceuticals.

tips4youtube wrote:

How are those two women That far ahead of everyone else? Is the genetics exponentially superior? This feels dirty. Don't give that Kenyan a free pass because Renato said Kenyans don't dope. Anything under 3:56 should be scrutinized.

Renato never said Kenyans don't use dope, he said they're non-responders.

Specifically to EPO for well-trained athletes at high altitude. You will notice the biggest losers since the EPO test are Moroccan 5-10k runners. Once a powerhouse, now a doormat. East Africa remains king.