University Vaccination coercion: How will this affect recruiting ?

How many times are you going to start the same thread? The answer is zero. No one that age is afraid of taking a vaccine.

thunderdome wrote:

How many times are you going to start the same thread? The answer is zero. No one that age is afraid of taking a vaccine.

Nobody?

How about lots of people

The FDA found a rate of myocarditis among vaccine recipients of 1 per 100,000. The rate of myocarditis among individuals who get the disease is 1 per 100.

You have a less than 1% of contracting COVID-19 from a close contact. You have a 100% chance of putting yourself at risk for all of the vaccines adverse reactions, whatever they are, whenever they occur, if you are vaccinated.

D1 coach here. Not a single family has expressed concern about it in the recruiting process. Not. One.

Enjoy your conspiracy theories

Will help recruiting because parents want to know their kids will be safe.

COVID19 infection is far more likely to cause myocarditis.

dsrunner wrote:

Will help recruiting because parents want to know their kids will be safe.

COVID19 infection is far more likely to cause myocarditis.

+1

FREEDOM1 wrote:

On Tuesday of last week the FDA released a stern warning to adolescent and adult males who plan on receiving COVID-19 vaccines. They state in their tables the baseline rate for myocarditis in the unvaccinated population is 0-1 case. In those who received the second dose of mRNA VACCINE the rate of myocarditis skyrocketed to 213 cases. Knowing that myocarditis can be life threatening and Covid 19 in this age group has a 0.00004% death rate, why are universities putting the lives of young adult males at risk for a virus that is not deadly in this age group?

Why?

So the Universities can Own the conspiracy theorists!

Fricken Pu$$ies!

Get the jab, and shut your hole, be-ahch!

So theres also a 100 percent risk you MIGHT get COVID.

Retard.

FREEDOM1 wrote:

You have a less than 1% of contracting COVID-19 from a close contact. You have a 100% chance of putting yourself at risk for all of the vaccines adverse reactions, whatever they are, whenever they occur, if you are vaccinated.

So it could also be said the risk you MIGHT get covid is 100%

can't wait for normality when idiots are easier to ignore

Myocarditis from the vaccine has been rare and cases have been very mild and resolved fully after a few days. Myocarditis from COVID in young people has been rare, but also very serious resulting in athletes having to quit sports and have cardiovascular monitoring for the foreseeable future, if not for the rest of their lives. If you are going to look at it solely from an individual risk standpoint, vaccination is the only rational option.

If you are a human being who hasn't been poisoned by reading Ayn Rand or watching COVID denier youtube videos, you would care about what happens when you catch and spread COVID 19. People who are immunocompromised (mostly cancer patients) do not respond well to the vaccines. They are still having to live as shut ins as they have very little protection from vaccines and can suffer sever illness if infected. Immunocompromised also tend to be a breeding ground for variants.

Preliminary data from Israel shows mRNA vaccine protection has declined significantly due to Delta. Preliminary data shows efficacy down from over 90% to just over 60%. But there is yet another variant that may even overtake Delta. Lambda is a variant from Peru that looks to be even more contagious than Delta and also has a higher rates of severe illness and death.

At this point in the US, given the complete lack of restrictions in most places and a complete unwillingness to have any sort of nationally coordinated COVID response, young people have two choices: get COVID and help spread it to others who may die and cause new variants (and hope that you do not have a severe case or long COVID) or get vaccinated. There is only one rational choice.

Very good post. Thank you.

Your odds of getting Covid and then getting myocarditis from the Covid are something like 100 times greater than your odds of getting Covid from a vaccine. So if you're rational and you're worried about getting myocarditis, you'll get the vaccine.

But if you're irrational and you just don't want the vaccine because Biden and Fauci are pushing it and you don't like them, that's your call.

As for recruiting, has there been any effect on recruiting due to other vaccines that are mandated by some colleges? I just checked U of Arkansas' website; they do not require, but strongly enocourage, a Covid vaccine. They do require an MMR vaccine, however. The MMR vaccine is associated with rare cases of febrile seizures, so like the Covid vaccine, it is not risk free. Somehow, Arkansas has been able to recruit some pretty good athletes over the years despite this vaccine mandate.

EDIT: Your odds of getting Covid and then getting myocarditis from the Covid are something like 100 times greater than your odds of getting MYOCARDITIS from a vaccine.

FREEDOM1 wrote:

On Tuesday of last week the FDA released a stern warning to adolescent and adult males who plan on receiving COVID-19 vaccines. They state in their tables the baseline rate for myocarditis in the unvaccinated population is 0-1 case. In those who received the second dose of mRNA VACCINE the rate of myocarditis skyrocketed to 213 cases. Knowing that myocarditis can be life threatening and Covid 19 in this age group has a 0.00004% death rate, why are universities putting the lives of young adult males at risk for a virus that is not deadly in this age group?

At this point I'm fine with you not being vaccinated. While it's a pity some good people will likely die unnecessarily from COVID, the fact that will likely take out wide swaths of the Q imbeciles can only be seen as a good thing in the long run for the country.

[quote]wear-sunscreen wrote:

So theres also a 100 percent risk you MIGHT get COVID.

100% chance something "might" happen?

What kind of nonsense is that?

The Grim Reaper wrote:

EDIT: Your odds of getting Covid and then getting myocarditis from the Covid are something like 100 times greater than your odds of getting MYOCARDITIS from a vaccine.

Really? What are the odds of getting Covid at this point in America? For vaccinated and non vaccinated?

Sixteen months in and nobody in my life has gotten Covid. At least not so they got sick. Or tested positive. This while i rage and surged and spiked and soared and overwhelmed hospitals and got 24/7 coverage in the media. They covered little else. Yet I saw no sign of it in my life. Now we are told Covid new infections are down what, 98%? 99%? Now I an going to get it?

The odds of my getting it are incredibly low. And, if I do get it, the odds of my becoming quite sick are also quite low as I do not have comorbidities, and am not living in a nursing home, and am not 80 plus years old.

The the odds of my getting myocarditis if I beat the overwhelming odds and do get Covid and do get sick from it? NO clue s Google no longer gives you the cites you request but steers you to what the establishment wants you to see (primarily reports on how safe the vaccines are).

All in all, based on the facts and experience of the past 16 months, the odds of me getting myocarditis from Covid are negligible

We've had this discussion before. Just like you have, fortunately, been untouched by the Covid pandemic, I have been similarly untouched by the opioid crisis. But the good fortune that you and I may enjoy doesn't mean that either the Covid pandemic or the opioid crisis is fake, or overblown. It just means that you and I are lucky whereas a lot of other people have been unlucky.

As to your odds of getting Covid, I use 10% as a rough estimate based on the fact that we have had about 33 million reported cases in a country about 10 times as large. Now, the actual number of cases is much higher, since a lot of people got Covid and never got tested. So 10% is a conservative number.

With so many people getting vaccinated, I'm not sure if that increases or decreases the odds that someone who is unvaccinated gets Covid. Overall, cases are going down significantly where vaccination rates are high, but the pool of people that the virus can infect is shrinking, so does that mean your odds of getting Covid are actually increasing? I don't know.

I'm not sure if you need to become "quite sick" from Covid to develop side effects such as myocarditis. The Big 10 did a study on about 1600 of its athletes that got Covid and found that 2.3% also got myocarditis. It's possible/likely that most of these 1600 did not get severely sick from Covid, but still 2.3% got myocarditis. If your chance of getting Covid is about 10%, and your chance of getting myocarditis from Covid is about 2.3%, your chance of getting Covid and then myocarditis is 0.23% (about 1 in 450).

On the other hand, one study showed that out of a million vaccinated people, 12. 6 developed myocarditis. That's about 1 in 79,000.

1 in 450 is a lot greater than 1 in 79,000.

"A newly published Rutgers study examined 1,597 Big Ten athletes who had COVID-19 in the past year, and found that 2.3 percent of them also developed myocarditis, which is inflammation of the heart muscles."

https://patch.com/new-jersey/newbrunswick/rutgers-studies-myocarditis-covid-positive-big-10-athletes

"The side effect is considered important but uncommon—arising in about 12.6 cases per million second doses administered."

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/myocarditis-coronavirus-vaccine

[quote]The Grim Reaper wrote:

"We've had this discussion before. Just like you have, fortunately, been untouched by the Covid pandemic.. But the good fortune that you and I may enjoy doesn't mean that either the Covid pandemic o... is fake, or overblown. It just means that you a...are lucky whereas a lot of other people have been unlucky."

Baloney. Nearly everyone I talk to knows nobody or at most knows of one or two people who got sick from Covid. My experience is not fortunate, it is typical.

There is no way this "pandemic" justified the 24/7 fearmongering we have been fed for over a year.

Anyone paying attention that past few decades knows that fear is used to sell a dishonest agenda and to stop people from thinking logically. We are being lied to and it ain't for our own good.

"As to your odds of getting Covid, I use 10% as a rough estimate based on the fact that we have had about 33 million reported cases in a country about 10 times as large. Now, the actual number of cases is much higher, since a lot of people got Covid and never got tested. So 10% is a conservative number."

Well, based in experience, if more than 10% of Americans have had Covid, 98% of those had little or no symptoms. And since it has touched nobody I see on any kind of regular basis and cases are way down, a 10% chance of me getting Covid now seems greatly overstated.

"With so many people getting vaccinated, I'm not sure if that increases or decreases the odds that someone who is unvaccinated gets Covid. Overall, cases are going down significantly where vaccination rates are high, but the pool of people that the virus can infect is shrinking, so does that mean your odds of getting Covid are actually increasing? I don't know."

Common sense. If Covid cases are way down, the odds of contracting it are way down. How could they actually increase? Is this an intelligent animal of some sort that knows to seek out the non vaxxed? When it encounters a vaxxed person it moves on to look for an un vaxxed? That's ridiculous.

"I'm not sure if you need to become "quite sick" from Covid to develop side effects such as myocarditis."

Isn't getting myocarditis considered getting quite sick?

"On the other hand, one study showed that out of a million vaccinated people, 12. 6 developed myocarditis. That's about 1 in 79,000. "

Very odd since in the general population the incidence of myocarditis this is what I found "The incidence and prevalence of myocarditis are not known from population-based studies because there is no widely available test that can be applied at a population level". I did find an estimate of 3 million plus worldwide....which is one in 2,333 give or take. And this as well: A recent study using International Classification of Diseases (ninth revision) codes estimated the global prevalence of myocarditis to be ≈22 of 100 000 patients annually (1/4,500). So, unless the vax greatly decreases the odds of getting myocarditis -- which seems extremely unlikely, the 79,000 is grossly exaggerated. You have to analyze all the "facts" and "data" being thrown at us. Much is easily dismissed as impossible