Who was the second biggest drug bust in U.S. middle/long distance history?

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John Wesley Harding wrote:

https://www.flotrack.org/video/5162807-shelby-houlihan-hs-gold-3rd-2009-roy-griak

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Oh man, “Hold on Tight” (to your dreams) by ELO playing in the background at the end of this video makes it almost painfully poignant.

I think it's because only Brits dope, even though there has never been a major British middle-distance bust in 120 years. Shelby's bust only proves the Brits are dirty, just like the NOP scandal did.

Moroccan Diet wrote:

I think it's because only Brits dope, even though there has never been a major British middle-distance bust in 120 years. Shelby's bust only proves the Brits are dirty, just like the NOP scandal did.

This is a stupid post but do you think any woman has ever broken 3:56 clean? Wink-wink nudge-nudge *cough* Muir *cough.

Whence the presumption that the Houlihan bust is the biggest? Because of the press conference and the funny excuses?

Ajee Wilson was a better runner, and used the same excuses. Only difference is no corporate army backing her.

If coaches count, Salazar was certainly the biggest by far.

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Moroccan Diet wrote:

I think it's because only Brits dope, even though there has never been a major British middle-distance bust in 120 years. Shelby's bust only proves the Brits are dirty, just like the NOP scandal did.

This is a stupid post but do you think any woman has ever broken 3:56 clean? Wink-wink nudge-nudge *cough* Muir *cough.

And why do you assume Muir is clean? No other athlete has as much access to illicit drugs as she does. All Hassan does is train and train somme more you think she's a doper? Muir has time to go med school, study, become a doctor, care for animals and apparently run sub 3:56 sometimes too, and she's the clean one?

yeah...

OK

John Wesley Harding wrote:

John Wesley Harding wrote:

https://www.flotrack.org/video/5162807-shelby-houlihan-hs-gold-3rd-2009-roy-griak

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Oh man, “Hold on Tight” (to your dreams) by ELO playing in the background at the end of this video makes it almost painfully poignant.

Beside the point, but could someone tell me the name of the first song that plays in the background during the interview?

I find this whole Houlihan matter quite sad. I feel bad for her, whether guilty or not. Hope that she moves on sucessfully.

Ray Cyst wrote:

John Wesley Harding wrote:

This is a stupid post but do you think any woman has ever broken 3:56 clean? Wink-wink nudge-nudge *cough* Muir *cough.

And why do you assume Muir is clean? No other athlete has as much access to illicit drugs as she does. All Hassan does is train and train somme more you think she's a doper? Muir has time to go med school, study, become a doctor, care for animals and apparently run sub 3:56 sometimes too, and she's the clean one?

yeah...

OK

Weird you interpreted it that way.

You might have issues.

sky wrote:

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Oh man, “Hold on Tight” (to your dreams) by ELO playing in the background at the end of this video makes it almost painfully poignant.

Beside the point, but could someone tell me the name of the first song that plays in the background during the interview?

"Our Lips Are Sealed" by the GoGos

John Wesley Harding wrote:

John Wesley Harding wrote:

https://www.flotrack.org/video/5162807-shelby-houlihan-hs-gold-3rd-2009-roy-griak

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Oh man, “Hold on Tight” (to your dreams) by ELO playing in the background at the end of this video makes it almost painfully poignant.

Not to mention the sun comes out just as she talks about her Olympic dream...

Ray Cyst wrote:

John Wesley Harding wrote:

This is a stupid post but do you think any woman has ever broken 3:56 clean? Wink-wink nudge-nudge *cough* Muir *cough.

And why do you assume Muir is clean? No other athlete has as much access to illicit drugs as she does. All Hassan does is train and train somme more you think she's a doper? Muir has time to go med school, study, become a doctor, care for animals and apparently run sub 3:56 sometimes too, and she's the clean one?

yeah...

OK

Muir may or may not be clean but the 'Muir is a vet so therefore she's probably taking all the animal drugs' is always funny.

You're being serious too, aren't you?

Incredible stuff.

Galen never came close. Not any closer than any other athletes who has passed all their tests.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Whence the presumption that the Houlihan bust is the biggest? Because of the press conference and the funny excuses?

Ajee Wilson was a better runner, and used the same excuses. Only difference is no corporate army backing her.

If coaches count, Salazar was certainly the biggest by far.

Apples and oranges. Ajee Wilson's PED level was far lower if I recall. Wilson purchased her meal on credit card and was able to trace it back to a particular restaurant. Restaurant's meat supply were consistent with Wilson's positive test. During appeal process, Houlihan had an opportunity to prove tainted food from restaurant argument. There is no evidence Houlihan ate tainted food from a food truck as Houlihan stated.

Jacobs was the biggest and best bust. It validated what we knew all along.

It has to be Centro's, which was covered up by Nike.

A more serious angle would be she goes to South Africa training camps. In my book if you go to a less developed country to train I’m going to be skeptical about your amazing performances.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CIvSweun-Hf/?utm_medium=copy_link

As a Mexican I’m skeptical of US runners that go to train in Mexico since you can get PEDs from any pharmacy and doping authorities will have a hard time getting to you

Taoufik Makhloufi went to Mexico to hide from French doping authorities

https://www.lequipe.fr/Athletisme/Actualites/Makhloufi-va-se-preparer-au-mexique/1217063

Point is if an athlete from a developed country going to a less developed one to train is a red flag

Michael J Fox wrote:

Jacobs was the biggest and best bust. It validated what we knew all along.

Yeah, it was Jacobs. Slaney was 10 years past her prime and was not going to qualify for the Oly team anyway. Plus Regina was part of the BALCO scandal which also implicated Tim Montgomery, Dwain Chambers, Kelli White and of course eventually Marion Jones, Jason Giambi, Bill Romanowski and Barry Bonds.