Shelby Houlihan BANNED for 4 years

Contamination is a problem. Jeff Novitzky (who helped bring down Lance Armstrong) how works for the anti doping agency for the UFC. He knew contamination was an issue before starting at the UFC. He has done a REMARKABLE job at setting reasonable limits so innocent athletes aren't convicted of doping. If you would like to learn more about it, listen to JRE MMA Show 53. I am inclined to believe him more than most.

"Jeff Novitzky is the current Senior Vice President of Athlete Health and Performance for the UFC, the world's largest mixed martial arts promotion. He previously served as an agent for the Food and Drug Administration, investigating the use of steroids in professional sports"

America's fury wrote:

She could just show her credit card statement, rather than produce a printed receipt. That's the least of her problems tho.

These solutions are obvious, and what she would be doing if the had actually gone to the food truck and paid by card.

Whether or not the food truck happened, so many operate by cash that this is an exercise in futility. It's pointless to call out and continue to argue for the production of a receipt that clearly doesn't exist.

Nandrolone (ND), a synthetic testosterone analogue, is one of the most commonly abused anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS) worldwide. For its improved anabolic properties ND is widely clinically applied in treatment of chronic diseases associated with catabolic state such as burns, cornea healing and osteoporosis1.

Contamination of meat is an issue, albeit unlikely. WADA has warned athletes multiple times to be wary of meat from unknown sources or sweetbreads, offal, etc all mixed together.

But contamination of pork to the degree that could trigger a positive test is not the issue here; she didn't claim she ate pork. She claimed she ate a burrito from a stand that also prepared pork offal, so what she's implying is that non-pork burrito got pork-sauced with enough collateral juice to give her a positive result.

JBaller33 wrote:

c7runner7 wrote:

I don’t understand why it’s become socially acceptable to completely make stuff up in a way that is defamatory.

Not making anything up. Jager was reported as “likely doping” on an official WADA document that got leaked. Rojo also just basically confirmed that Shelby tested positive. Then you have Salazar, a bunch of sprinters, and Nike’s nefarious dealings in the past. Nine is dirty, plain and simple.

I think this press conference coming up will verify this.

You're too jaded Baller33. First, If Jager was supposedly doping, I would be willing to accept that if it was in an attempt to heal from the injury he had, not to try to get better and gain an advantage. Secondly, I assume you don't understand much about the US Food Chain. The US uses tons of hormones in the development of meat products to grow the meat out for a faster time to market. It's cost saving and produces higher yield as well. Thirdly, and this should be obvious, testing dynamics are much better than they were and continue improving. this easily has the effect of developing findings more acutely. While you are in your right to despise dopers, why do you assume that the system is error free and that all findings must therefore be from intentional efforts to cheat. If we know anything from the application of science and the arbitrary markers that are placed, errors will occur.

Bottom line is the system of hunting down dopers being instigated through multiple organizations using inconsistent practices and testing dynamics is wrong. What was allowed by one agency for Ajee Wilson, and has been shown to be an issue in the food chain, and then not applying the same rule to another athlete (Shelby) is wrong. Then to not have a system that allows for immediate justice/trial right before the most important event in the sport is wrong. When WADA can make it clear that certain meats (pork for sure) have the ability to develop a false positive, then there needs to be a process or a declaration in how to handle those tests.

My main point is that you are too quick to jump to judgement and therefore are too jaded. Assume for a moment that indeed Shelby IS innocent. What should she do to prove it? how would she word her reply to make it sound like she wasn't trying to cover something up according to you? Or should we just $#!t on her and say "it sucks to be you?" (Yes I know that this assumes she's innocent. I'm ok with that. it was the construct of my point to assume she was)

Actually, hair testing is not nearly as accurate as popular culture wants you to believe...

"The researchers compared self-reported drug use with hair follicle test results from 360 adults at risk for moderate drug use.

According to the results of the study, hair follicle drug testing correctly identified:

52.3 percent of people who reported recent marijuana use

65.2 percent of people who reported recent cocaine use

24.2 percent of people who reported recent amphetamine use

2.9 percent of people who reported recent opioid use"

If she is innocent then of course she would scramble trying to find what caused this. If she is guilty then of course she would scramble to figure out a way around this. If she is guilty, and we may never know, I do believe that Jerry did not know...and please spare me the nonsense that a coach knows everything an athlete does.

bIDDLES wrote:

SHE DIDN'T EVEN ADMIT TO EATING A PORK BURRITO YOU GUYS

Ate from a food truck that also served pork offal.

this is incorrect. listen to the press conference before posting again.

I honestly am dumbfounded by anyone who mentions her hair samples being tested as evidence of her being innocent. People tend to believe who they support and it's getting in the way of the facts of this case.

bIDDLES wrote:

But contamination of pork to the degree that could trigger a positive test is not the issue here; she didn't claim she ate pork. She claimed she ate a burrito from a stand that also prepared pork offal, so what she's implying is that non-pork burrito got pork-sauced with enough collateral juice to give her a positive result.

Ya this is very suspect. Pork alone wouldn't do it. It has to be uncastrated pork, which is not a thing for livestock.

So what is Nike's role in all of this? This is the second major American doping violation that a training group of theirs has been involved with in recent years. They provide these groups with resources, doctors, and lawyers. At what point do they start bearing some responsibility? What more does the USATF need to see before it rethinks it's extremely close relationship with the boing boing shoe corporation? It's a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad look.

I don't think she took the steroid BUT I think there's foul play here.

My theory is that she never took the steroid but instead she was playing on contamination to her "advantage." Pork liver contains a ~naturally occuring~ steroid, so what about a diet high in said pork? On top of that, if you topically apply DHT to your skin, it increases activity of the reactant enzyme needed to break down nandrolone. Back when NOP got debunked I remember seeing a lot of stuff about how track athletes would use sprays/topicals because they couldn't be detected on a drug test unless tested almost immediately after use. I'm thinking Shelby was applying this DHT topical and then eating pork liver. Oral consumption of the drug makes it much harder to be detected in hair. She also passed the poligraph, meaning she didn't take nandrolone itself (supposedly).

I would like to know more about Shelby's diet and how often she ate at this particular food truck/pork liver in general. It's very fishy all her teammates are coming up with a post but former teammates (Colleen, Kate) have said nothing. Some pictures also depict Shelby looking less feminine as the years with Bowerman go on; hair also appears thinner.

NCRunning wrote:

I don't by the food truck excuse. If the food truck is her best excuse for the positive test, produce the receipt from the food truck for the date you purchased the food.

I think she did.

shocked I tell you again wrote:

My main point is that you are too quick to jump to judgement and therefore are too jaded.

Too quick? Both AIU and CAS have said no to this cheat's lame excuse, after seeing all the evidence.

shocked I tell you again wrote:

Assume for a moment that indeed Shelby IS innocent. What should she do to prove it?

1) Buy 10 more items of whatever she ate.

2) Have 4 of them tested in three different labs.

3a) Have 3 volunteering AIU officials tested.

3b) Have the same 3 AIU officials eat 1, 2, 3 of the remaining 6 items.

3c) Have the same 3 AIU officials tested again.

I bett she did zero of the above.

sanchobaile wrote:

bIDDLES wrote:

SHE DIDN'T EVEN ADMIT TO EATING A PORK BURRITO YOU GUYS

Ate from a food truck that also served pork offal.

this is incorrect. listen to the press conference before posting again.

Quote from her IG:

We concluded that the most likely explanation was a burrito purchased and consumed approximately 10 hours before that drug test from an authentic Mexican food truck that serves pig offal near my house in Beaverton, Oregon. I notified the AIU that I believed this was the source.

I'm saying it's sus that she did not outright say she ate pork.

Yes the morons in this Website dont understand this lawer speech. Its worded in a way idiots think she claimed to have eaten a pork burrito but legally they only claim to have eaten a burrito from a shop that also sells offal ones

The one that compared Houlihan with Hassan (I dont see where I have seen that):

The comparison is really not fair.

It's comparing a Hill with a Mountain.