Shelby Houlihan BANNED for 4 years

Typo: “ Hopefully our legal team can re-appeal.”

Correction: “Hopefully their legal team can re-appeal.”

Bobbygw wrote:

I truly am curious to hear what Kara Goucher has to say. Lauren Fleshmen already tweeted that while she doesn't know Shelby she trusts her. Absolutely mindless tweet for likes from her money spending fan base and surprising considering how clean sport vocal she has been

You can't crucify non-white or non-Americans at the first sniff of doping then "trust" an athlete you don't know because she seems nice and works hard.

Lauren, Shalane, etc are all a bunch of hypocrites.

Only 30s into his video and Schumacher claims he's never heard of Nandrolone. Even I've heard of it. Not much point in listening to the rest of the statement after that.

The Scot wrote:

Only 30s into his video and Schumacher claims he's never heard of Nandrolone. Even I've heard of it. Not much point in listening to the rest of the statement after that.

Actually you’re right about that and I was surprised that Shelby also said she never heard of nandrolone. These people are professional runners and so they should be aware about that. Scratching my head about that one?

Sprintgeezer wrote:

Of all the things available, good old nandro, prob microdosed.

Makes me wonder what else she was doing.

Was she actually getting faster?

She set the AR in the 5000 last year. But she also ran a 4:43 mile in high school, and there's no reason to believe that she wasn't doping then. Up to 3% of adolescent girls use PEDs (mostly steroids), and you can assume the number is much higher among elite high school and college athletes. And of course the people who thrive by doping in high school are the most likely to continue doping in college and after they turn pro.

Geez. I know some hs guys use, but I didn’t know that girls were into things like anabolics.

Yikes.

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but another runner, James Kibet, got popped a year and a half ago for Nandrolone and used the pork excuse but his ban was upheld. His case seems a little more exceptional:

"the Kenyan said he had ingested pork fat syrup up to three times a day whilst in Italy for the Corsa dei Santi 10km race"

"Kibet had ingested pork fat and used it as a body lotion, which he argued is a medicinal custom in his home country of Uganda."

https://www.sportsintegrityinitiative.com/aiu-rejects-pork-fat-defence-for-nandrolone-aaf/

Ghost1 wrote:

The Scot wrote:

Only 30s into his video and Schumacher claims he's never heard of Nandrolone. Even I've heard of it. Not much point in listening to the rest of the statement after that.

Actually you’re right about that and I was surprised that Shelby also said she never heard of nandrolone. These people are professional runners and so they should be aware about that. Scratching my head about that one?

Yep, PURE BULLSHlT.

When will people stop being suckers? Boot her out, investigate the coach for intentional misrepresentation/perjury, and move on.

There are plenty of clean athletes who deserve our attention more than do these d-bags.

Camo Cat wrote:

Bobbygw wrote:

I truly am curious to hear what Kara Goucher has to say. Lauren Fleshmen already tweeted that while she doesn't know Shelby she trusts her. Absolutely mindless tweet for likes from her money spending fan base and surprising considering how clean sport vocal she has been

You can't crucify non-white or non-Americans at the first sniff of doping then "trust" an athlete you don't know because she seems nice and works hard.

Lauren, Shalane, etc are all a bunch of hypocrites.

If Lauren really said that, then that's very disappointing that she doesn't have the integrity that I thought she had.

Looks like Hunter, Jager, Huddle & Rowbury all had the same Burritos!

Deena fan wrote:

Camo Cat wrote:

You can't crucify non-white or non-Americans at the first sniff of doping then "trust" an athlete you don't know because she seems nice and works hard.

Lauren, Shalane, etc are all a bunch of hypocrites.

If Lauren really said that, then that's very disappointing that she doesn't have the integrity that I thought she had.

Although come to think of it, she also strongly defended Paula.....

Apologies if this has already been posted, but made it to a mainstream sports story:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/2021/06/14/shelby-houlihan-failed-drug-test/

Right. The frustrating thing to me, or rather the potentially frustrating thing, is that... is there a way that we can really really really absolutely 100% know if she did it or didn't do it. Sometimes I feel like we can't get there, but I hope that a good follow-up article that includes input from technical experts will help a lot. I apologize if anyone has already laid out a coherent and strong argument that's more scientifically based, because it's difficult for me to go back and forth between the posts and the pages and what seems to be somewhat contradictory input and be convinced totally. That's why I'm hoping for a follow-up article.

I have as much faith in WADA as I have in the WHO.

Ghost1 wrote:

On the other hand, the improvement, in 2018, from more than 15 'in the 5k to 14.31 then to 14.23 (2020) + on 1500, still in 2018, from 4.06 to 3.57 then to 3.54 (2020) - US records at stake - “seemed too good“ to be honest. Hopefully our legal team can re-appeal. Not sure what the process is.

This does coincide with peds. From what I read, nandrolone does not make a lot of sense for avoiding detection while it does provide among the best results in performance.

My last post was supposed to be @migroc, and then also responding to some others after that who gave him put. I'm posting as a guest and on my device the reply button doesn't seem to be working, I'm not sure if you guys see something different than I see.

Funny coincidence.... sounds like she was at Centro's when she got popped

This just proves what I've been saying for years....

That everyone faster than me is on PEDs! ;)

David4924 wrote:

Sometimes I feel like we can't get there, but I hope that a good follow-up article that includes input from technical experts will help a lot.

Well both independent organizations, AIU and CAS, ruled against the suspect after listening to the experts and the suspect's team of lawyers. 4 years, sounds like a clear cut case to the experts.

Houlihan got lucky that she received special treatment (why did she? That's a more interesting question) and the first judgment was kept secret. This way, her side of the story came out first (the dog ate my homework).