When will the vaccinated start showing health complications?

Runningart2004 wrote:

I thought crazy liberal granola moms were the anti-vaxxers?

What's the conservative take on the many other vaccines out there?

I've gotten tons of vaccines....Japanese encephalitis....malaria.....anthrax....flu every year....covid....etc.....never had an issue...

I don't know anyone who has ever had an issue from ANY vaccine....I do know people personally who have died of COVID or have been hospitalized seriously with COVID.

Alan

I don't know anyone personally who has been hospitalized let alone even gotten Covid - so we're even. 😉

pupilpie wrote:

All the fuss about GM crops but modifying our cell info and behaviour is ok?

The fuss about GM crops is even more moronic.

Never blame vaccines wrote:

Always blame vaccines wrote:

How conveniently vague. So 10 years from now if you get a kidney stone or hurt your Achilles you can blame it on the vaccine.

Yeah...and if someone ends up with an autoimmune disease crippled in a wheelchair there's of course no absolute way it could be related to the vaccine. Lol.

Considering COVID causes autoimmune problems you might want to re-evaluate your risk assessment.

Bell’s Palsy, myocarditis, blood clotting disorder. These may merely be canaries in the coal mine. I can’t possibly know, and neither can you.

For those of you saying the mRNA vaccines are gene therapy, you are way off base. It’s a form of molecular mimicry and a potentially brilliant one at that.

However, more and more research is showing that an immune response to a naturally cleared infection is just as good if not better than these vaccines. Not to the spike protein per se, but to all of the major epitopes of the virus.

The fact that this virus is attributable to amplified infectivity via genetic engineering, potentially subsidized by the US, is sickening. This furin cleavage site surrounded by two sets of palindromic codons is not normal evolution and zoonotic transmission. If you believe that, I have a used cloth mask to sell you. Lots actually. But Moderna is loving the recurring revenue stream.

Articles you might want to look at:

1) As of May 28, VAERS contains 4,561 reports of post-Covid jab fatalities.

A report submitted to the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) in 2010 concluded that, quote, “Fewer than one percent of vaccine adverse events are reported by the VAER System.”

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2) "For those above 60, during the first 14 days after 1st dose injection, deaths are 14.6 times more frequent per day than for unvaccinated."

Revolver = “news” site for RWNJs.

I just looked it up....I've had 32 vaccines since joining the Army a bit over 10 years ago... say about 10 of those are flu shots.

Vaccines are so horrible!! How am I still alive??

Alan

Runningart2004 wrote:

I just looked it up....I've had 32 vaccines since joining the Army a bit over 10 years ago... say about 10 of those are flu shots.

Vaccines are so horrible!! How am I still alive??

Alan

That’s fine man, that’s your choice. Flu vaccines have been vetted over a long period of time, and, while they are hardly foolproof (dare I say limited in their efficacy?), they seem innocuous enough. Then again, some of us never get the flu vaccine because we never get the flu.

There are some vaccines that should be mandatory. Covid is not one of them.

sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:

Rainy Day wrote:

I was debating whether or not to get the vaccine as I never feared the virus itself. All of my MD friends were getting the mRNA vaccine. I’ll take their word for it over a handful of running message board vaccine experts.

I got the second Pfizer dose 5 weeks ago. Felt bad for 2 days. The past 4 weeks has been my best running in years. Not due to the vaccine, but due to diet and training changes. However, the vaccine has not affected my training at all.

Got my 2nd Moderna shot 3 weeks ago. Felt bad for the day after. Just ran my fastest mile since 2005, so no effects on my running. I'll take the vaccine over Covid any day of the year.

Fauci type science right there. Good for you person.

lol lol lol lol wrote:

Articles you might want to look at:

1) As of May 28, VAERS contains 4,561 reports of post-Covid jab fatalities.

A report submitted to the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) in 2010 concluded that, quote, “Fewer than one percent of vaccine adverse events are reported by the VAER System.”

1) They changed VAERS reporting rules so hospitals and health care providers are REQUIRED to report all severe adverse events after a COVID vax.

2) VAERS requires reporting of ANY severe adverse event in the time frame after a COVID shot. There no requirement for casuality or association of any kind. You are simply seeing the background death rate for the vaccinated population.

3) Your third link is down... but I suspect that's the same cherry picked data we've seen spammed here before that exploits reporting lags to make deaths appear higher.

It's amazing how many seemingly smart people are falling for the anti-vax media spam...

Bell’s Palsy, myocarditis, blood clotting disorder: All occur at much higher rates from COVID infection. You're one of the worst posters here... and that's saying A LOT.

Furin cleavage sites show up in MANY coronaviruses. You're just making stuff up (or parroting some wacky "news" site.

More than 50%+ of SARS-CoV-2's closest relative have furin sites. Furin sites have independently evolved at least 6 times in nearby coronaviruses.

Read more... don't be a sheep for propaganda sites.

Runningart2004 wrote:

I just looked it up....I've had 32 vaccines since joining the Army a bit over 10 years ago... say about 10 of those are flu shots.

Vaccines are so horrible!! How am I still alive??

Alan

Well. The US Army doesn't want you (their tool) to die yet. They want you to remain healthy enough to carry out their attacks on civilians in the middle East to kill women and children. Good boy.

hmmm. well. hmm wrote:

sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:

Got my 2nd Moderna shot 3 weeks ago. Felt bad for the day after. Just ran my fastest mile since 2005, so no effects on my running. I'll take the vaccine over Covid any day of the year.

Fauci type science right there. Good for you person.

How would any semi intelligent person mistake that statement for science. That wasn't science, it was my personal experience with a sample set of 1. Also Fauci has a way better understanding of the science of infectious disease and vaccines than myself.

Listen, jackass. I have advanced degrees in virology and immunology. How do you like them apples? The palindromic sequencing, while not unusual, is unusual in its proximity here.

YOU are one of the worst posters here, you fear porn a$$hole. I bet you own MRNA & PFE. Major conflict of interest.

There’s absolutely no fukking reason to get this vaccine, absent advanced age and serious comorbidity. My PhD from an Ivy league-doctor before he got his MD agrees. It is shameful that we are going to start injecting twelve year olds.

“4. Conclusion

Furin cleavage sites in spike proteins naturally occurred independently for multiple times in coronaviruses. Such feature of SARS-CoV-2 spike protein is not necessarily a product of manual intervention, though our observation does not rule out the lab-engineered scenario.”

Also, the palindromic codons are my frame of reference for undermining Fauci’s pangolin theory. This was obvious to anyone who wanted to make a serious inquiry.

I’m not going to post on this anymore. You can deny you own MRNA , but I don’t believe it. Most readers are adults and can draw their own conclusions. Twelve to 17-year olds are not adults. It’s disgraceful what we are messaging.

Covidiocy wrote:

“4. Conclusion

Furin cleavage sites in spike proteins naturally occurred independently for multiple times in coronaviruses. Such feature of SARS-CoV-2 spike protein is not necessarily a product of manual intervention, though our observation does not rule out the lab-engineered scenario.”

Also, the palindromic codons are my frame of reference for undermining Fauci’s pangolin theory. This was obvious to anyone who wanted to make a serious inquiry.

I’m not going to post on this anymore. You can deny you own MRNA , but I don’t believe it. Most readers are adults and can draw their own conclusions. Twelve to 17-year olds are not adults. It’s disgraceful what we are messaging.

Obviously you can never rule out a lab engineered virus or lab leak!

Rare codons do not prove one way or another. Rare events happen...

“Palindromic condons” themselves don’t do indicate anything nefarious... in fact they might be representative of common points for RNA polymerase template switching and recombination between viruses! So you’re more likely to see “distant” sequences near palindromic repeats!

I happy to discuss the furin cleavage site sequence in more detail but I’d have to do some more reading.

I was merely presenting that fact that it’s presence, occurrence or even appearance in this virus is not that unique! Furin cleavage sites appear all the time.

The furin insert, while hardly unusual for a rapidly evolving Coronavirus, is significant because it is within a 520ish-amino-acid region that is shared exactly by RaTG13 and SARS-CoV-2. Also, palindromic “duplication” just preceding this furin insert only happens when the polymerase “stutters,” and may, erroneously, add either extra base pairs as helicase unravels. Multiple palindromic duplication, in this context, is highly suggestive of a non evolutionary event. As Harambe (you?) has stated before, it’s not, technically, impossible for a natural recombination to have occurred here, but the odds are in the quadrillions. There is no missing link here, not even a hint of a missing link. This is man made, though the leak may have been unintentional.

I am not bemoaning mRNA vaccines more generally, as it may be a brilliant platform, but YOU don’t know what you don’t know.

Palindromic repeats add secondary structure to the RNA that can cause the polymerase to hop off the transcript and reinitiate on another transcript. In a organism with multiple infections this can lead to recombination between viruses - not as uncommon as you might think. So now you can insert a furin site pretty easily... all you need is a mutation or two to get CGGCGG. This is not a one in a quadrillion event. Maybe one in a trillion? Who knows... we are just making up numbers... But hey you can easily get a trillion viral particles in a single organism!

I just haven't seen convincing evidence other than two adjacent rare codons... which is hardly some smoking gun.

Not ruling out anything, just making sure other posters don't read your "assertions" as proof. I am going to assume your virology PhD didn't include much biochemistry.

Need I remind you about all the cities that were burned to the ground?