Is Schweizer in danger of missing out on the Olympic team??

fghrunner wrote:

It’s always seemed like a given that she’d be in Tokyo because of how consistent she’s in. And with her 8:25/14:26 last year she was head and shoulders above anyone else in the US besides Shelby. She really hasn’t seemed herself lately which is a bit nerve racking. Rooting for her and feel like if the Olympic happened last summer she would be a legitimate medal threat. With the US women’s 5k scene right now struggling to break 15 isn’t going to cut it. Even people like Allie Buchalski and Jossette Norris are viewed as long shots with seasons bests well under 15. Hopefully just still deeply in training but she seems to be on the list of bowerman babes that are overcooked this year

She ran 1 bad race and your already soiling yourself. Don't you have anything better to do?

Yeah, how dare he talk about running on this forum

fghrunner wrote:

It’s always seemed like a given that she’d be in Tokyo because of how consistent she’s in. And with her 8:25/14:26 last year she was head and shoulders above anyone else in the US besides Shelby. She really hasn’t seemed herself lately which is a bit nerve racking. Rooting for her and feel like if the Olympic happened last summer she would be a legitimate medal threat. With the US women’s 5k scene right now struggling to break 15 isn’t going to cut it. Even people like Allie Buchalski and Jossette Norris are viewed as long shots with seasons bests well under 15. Hopefully just still deeply in training but she seems to be on the list of bowerman babes that are overcooked this year

I’ve been thinking about this today too — the whole bowerman squad was interesting in how different they looked.

Lopez won, but looked flat to me. It seemed like Freirichs was told to run 71s toward the end of her pacing job, which Schweizer clearly couldn’t match.

On the other hand, Fisher, Centrowitz, and Cranny looked terrific and sharp.

It’s probably as simple as some people backing off of training a little more than others, or some just having a bad day, but perhaps not. Still, I’d be shocked if Lomong, Schweizer, and Houlihan don’t make any team that they try out for.

What was here time in the race? Can't find the results anywhere....

15:00:44 - Hull won the race in 14:57:00, looking at the splits Schweizer was half a second behind Hull at the bell.

https://live.athletictiming.net/meets/10078/events/333542/splits

She's fine. It's an Olympic year. They're in hard training. Don't know what you mean by not seeming like herself. She ran 30:47 three months ago. If you're comparing her now to her no-pressure time trials last summer that's not valid -- circumstances are completely different. Don't know who you're referring to in your statement about overcooked Bowerman babes.

I’m with you 100%, she’s looked off this entire year. From losing to Quigley in the 3k earlier in the year to getting dusted on Saturday in the last 400. She is not firing on cylinders and is nowhere near the fitness she displayed in 2020.

That said, it might still be enough to make the team in either the 5 or 10k.

I’ve never been a huge fan of BTC, but I sure as hell respect what they do.

This group is training for medals. Not US titles, global medals. They’ve still got 3 weeks for their mini taper, and that’s well before the big taper (Olympics).

Perhaps there are some injury problems with Schweizer and Houlihan, but I suspect they’ll come out ready to rock and make the team in whichever event they target, with a good chance to be in contention on the last lap in the Olympics.

She's been banged up for the last couple months and still not training at the volume she was previously. Hopefully she is able to get in enough before the trials to give herself a shot.

Seems like Schumacher can get his athletes to do some amazing things but can’t seem to have them all clicking at the same time. This is something Salazar was better at. When one was rolling they all were rolling. Of course his Group was smaller

darty wrote:

Seems like Schumacher can get his athletes to do some amazing things but can’t seem to have them all clicking at the same time. This is something Salazar was better at. When one was rolling they all were rolling. Of course his Group was smaller

And doped up...

They clearly went too hard last year and it took a toll. Most are burned out or beat up.

In addition to the team potentially being in the middle of a hard training block, they were just on an altitude-training stint, weren't they? Is it possible Karissa just takes longer to readjust afterward than some of the other athletes? Of course, if so, you would think they'd already have figured that out by now. But on the other hand, it was only after the previous altitude-training block they figured out that Jorgensen is a non-responder and she didn't do this most recent one.

Actually not soiling myself if you can believe, just starting a discussion about a runner on a website created to discuss runners.

By not herself I was also referring to her 3k losing to cranny and Quigley in 8:40, her last few laps of the 10k which was a great time but not as good as her times from last year when she would have easily beaten cranny, and recent training content of the babes where she used to always be in a group with houlihan, GBS and cranny but now works out with frerichs, infeld, Fraser and Hall. Plus her long stretch of not racing until last night.

I don't personally buy the "Schumacher is just training them hard so they aren't peaked for the races and aren't performing" line. If everyone was flat, sure. But don't see why Lopez would be tired while Grant Fisher can rip a 55 last 400 (and run a faster time despite his race being paced slower than the A heat). Or how come Cranny can run 4:02 closing in a 60, GDS can run a 1:58 and 4:00, but Johnson and Schweizer trundle to 4:06/15:00.

We are three weeks out from trials now. That's not a massive amount of time to find fitness. They could still do it, but it does feel like some of the group are just a little burnt out.

With BTC, you just have to wait until the championships, because that is their sole focus. They ran incredible time trials last year, but then there were no championships and they judged it not worthwhile to risk long-term lung issues to travel to Monaco and Lausanne. Schweizer is not at that level right now, which means that she must be either overcoming a training break from illness or injury, or training through to peak at the Olympics.

another perspective wrote:

I don't personally buy the "Schumacher is just training them hard so they aren't peaked for the races and aren't performing" line. If everyone was flat, sure. But don't see why Lopez would be tired while Grant Fisher can rip a 55 last 400 (and run a faster time despite his race being paced slower than the A heat). Or how come Cranny can run 4:02 closing in a 60, GDS can run a 1:58 and 4:00, but Johnson and Schweizer trundle to 4:06/15:00.

We are three weeks out from trials now. That's not a massive amount of time to find fitness. They could still do it, but it does feel like some of the group are just a little burnt out.

This is just a guess, but it seems like the athletes who are still debating on which events to do or are newer to the BTC are doing better right now. Lomong potentially doubling in the 10k and 5k at the trials seems pretty obvious. Schweizer potentially doubling in the 5k and 10k at the trials also seems pretty obvious. Johnson doing the 1500 seems pretty obvious as well. GDS is new, and could possibly be considering the 800 (according to another thread here), Cranny could do anything from the 1500 to the 10k, and Fisher might be trying to see if he can only do the 5k at the trials. This is also probably why Tuntivate isn't in top form right now (doesn't have to worry about US trials) and why Houlihan hasn't raced yet. McGorty on the other hand is in pretty good shape because he's considering the steeple

Schweizer was indeed dealing with a minor injury back in early March I believe. Even then, I feel like Schweizer proved last year she can hang with the top women in the world with that 8:25 over Houlihan and 14:26. I imagine if Jerry thinks there's even the slightest shot for a medal, he's peaking the athletes for the global championships. If there's uncertainty if they can even make the team, he's peaking them for USA's/trials. Even 90% Schweizer makes the 5k and 10k teams. Peaking later typically involves delayed speed and race pace interval work. I think Schweizer has an outside shot if she can improve on her form from last year, but the peak has to be timed perfectly and she'll definitely need to improve on the closing speed.

Anybody is in danger of missing an Olympic team. Just ask Dan O'Brien.